Pym Fortune shot dead?

Would it do any good if they DID catch the shooter? At the end of the day, somebody else (a copycat) could do a similar thing just because they're opposed to a person's views

Do they know for sure it's a political killing? I know it's likely but without the shooter it's conjecture at the moment

[Epona]

Originally posted by johnny: no need to say sorry epona, no need at all, but i could use a cold beer now(lol), how about you ?

I feel there is every need to say sorry johnny - I upset a lot of people through my stupidity, which is wrong. I like to try play the smartass sometimes, but I don't normally misjudge it that badly, and I'm upset with myself and deserve a good kicking.

A cold beer would go down a treat though Thank you.

As Melusine says, this shooting has just made things worse - I heard on the radio that 'lijst Fortuyn' (Fortuyn's political party) is going on without their leader and is therefore still an option with regards to the elections, and Fortuyn's supporters are only going to be more determined for 'lijst Fortuyn' to win.

As far as Fortuyn being a Nazi, it's hard to say. He is certainly extremely right-wing, but not as racist as some people seem to think. He merely points out the fact that people are taking advantage of the Netherlands as a whole - and it is, coincedentally perhaps, generally ethnic minorities that appear to do this. This automatically brands Fortuyn a 'racist' when he is only really interested in maintaining a stable economy with maximum efficiency.

[ 05-06-2002, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Arledrian ]

[Epona]

Originally posted by Melusine: Ar-Cunin - would you please shut up for a moment? Why is it that when people die, all I see is people discussing politics. This man had friends and family, let's not turn this thread into a stupid debate out of respect for them. Suffice to say that politically the man was bad news and YES, he was extreme right, so don't try to smooth that over. Regardless, he is dead now - quit the political cr*p.

I'm so sorry Melusine, I am solely to blame, Ar-Cunin was responding to me because I upset him (and a great many others too). I'm an asshole.

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by Melusine: Ar-Cunin - would you please shut up for a moment? Why is it that when people die, all I see is people discussing politics. This man had friends and family, let's not turn this thread into a stupid debate out of respect for them. Suffice to say that politically the man was bad news and YES, he was extreme right, so don't try to smooth that over. Regardless, he is dead now - quit the political cr*p.

I didn't start the political cr*'p (as you so eloquetly put it) - I responded to Epona's initial statement ( that has been edited now). So NO I won't shut up. I'm not trying to justify him or his politics - I'm just a firm believer in free speech and democracy. If the dutch want to vote for him and his party - let them - and them let them deal the consequenses.

P.S. telleing me to shut up is the wrong thing to do - it REALLY irritates me - I was ready to bury the hatchet after Epona's edit - but your comment got me started again.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Epona: quote: Originally posted by johnny: no need to say sorry epona, no need at all, but i could use a cold beer now(lol), how about you ?

I feel there is every need to say sorry johnny - I upset a lot of people through my stupidity, which is wrong. I like to try play the smartass sometimes, but I don't normally misjudge it that badly, and I'm upset with myself and deserve a good kicking.

A cold beer would go down a treat though Thank you.[/QUOTE]lol epona, can i kick you about this ?

[Hanz123]

I am really interested wehe all this will lead to, especially with an eye on the political shift right in europe and him being a far right (not extreem right however) political figure. people tend to over exaggerate implications when things has just happened, but I doubt this will pas lightly.

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: That just plain wrong

Umm, I think you misunderstood, I'm not calling him a Nazi, I'm saying he had as close to those to those political beliefs as possible within accepted boundaries.

All crime should be fought

Sorry, I didn't explain enough on this one either, the BNP are an ever-so-slightly growing faction in England who fight crime, but are not opposed to any crimes they commit.

RELIEVED??? How can you be relieved?

I didn't say I was, I said some may feel that way, not me, and anyhow I meant relieved as in relieved he won't come into power, certainly not as in happy he's dead.

[Melusine]

Well Ar-Cunin - I am a strong believer in free speech as well - don't you see that's the reason why I'm so upset right now?? All I'm asking is that people stop the political propaganda and have some bloody respect!

[Epona]

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: quote: Originally posted by Melusine: Ar-Cunin - would you please shut up for a moment? Why is it that when people die, all I see is people discussing politics. This man had friends and family, let's not turn this thread into a stupid debate out of respect for them. Suffice to say that politically the man was bad news and YES, he was extreme right, so don't try to smooth that over. Regardless, he is dead now - quit the political cr*p.

I didn't start the political cr*'p (as you so eloquetly put it) - I responded to Epona's initial statement ( that has been edited now). So NO I won't shut up. I'm not trying to justify him or his politics - I'm just a firm believer in free speech and democracy. If the dutch want to vote for him and his party - let them - and them let them deal the consequenses.

P.S. telleing me to shut up is the wrong thing to do - it REALLY irritates me - I was ready to bury the hatchet after Epona's edit - but your comment got me started again.[/QUOTE]Ar-Cunin, I accept full and total responsibility for the direction this thread took - I got you mad at me and *I* started it. But please don't get angry with Melusine, it is my fault - I would prefer that the hatchet be buried if you would please reconsider it. My post was thoughtless and stupid, and I'm not surprised with hindsight (which is always 20/20 of course) that a well meaning thread got derailed because of my stupidity.