Bard Business

BALROGBANE · 01-17-2002, 08:47 AM

So what are the best things about using Haerdalis.
Oh and as a tank who do ya reckon is better, him or Anomen.

F. Gottwald · 01-17-2002, 08:56 AM

haer´dalis is a reasonable backup mage, because of his higher casting level some spells are more effective than those of his mage counterparts (most notably skull trap).
however, the area he truly shines in is magically enhanced combat - give him the pixie prick and kundane, cast several buffing spells (especially stoneskin) and hack away.

he is a little vulnerable to tank all day without magical protection and vastly inferior to anomen in this respect, and without a strength modifier he has serious issues with his thaco. however, with 3 hits per round he is nevertheless decent at dealing out damage and if you can get your opponents to pummel on someone else while he cuts them to bits he can be a worthy addition to your melee fighters.

BALROGBANE · 01-17-2002, 09:01 AM

Whats Kundane?

What weapons dose he use?

F. Gottwald · 01-17-2002, 09:55 AM

kundane is a short sword of quickness that grants an additional attack, essentially a poor mans belm, and iirc you get it in the planar prison.
perhaps you´ve thrown it away accidentally because the description doesn´t state that you get another attack and it looks less than impressive otherwise...

BALROGBANE · 01-17-2002, 10:40 AM

So is belm better than kundane as I have them both?

The best harp?

Nifft the Nimble · 01-17-2002, 01:29 PM

Hi BALROGBANE,

Haer'Dalis is a fun party member, but he needs serious micro-management. He's actually great as a ranged fighter, even with Offensive Spin. His high level and skill with 2-weapon fighting make him an ideal Melf's Minute Meteor hurler, but he'd be good with darts, bows or crossbows, whichever your party lacks.

Anomen is a decent melee fighter, but needs to improve his Dex. before he's going to go far with missile weapons. I don't like his personality enough to get to know him in depth, so my advice on him isn't worth too much.

Harps: do you have the Bonus Merchants patch? If so, the best harp is the Harp of Pandemonium. If not, it's probably the harp you get when you find him (in Mekrath's lair, on the altar with the planar gem) which causes confusion.

-- Nifft

Jim · 01-17-2002, 01:35 PM

quote:
So is belm better than kundane as I have them both?

Both have speed factor 0, but belm hits for 1D8+2 instead of kundane's 1D6+2 so Belm rules supreme.

Spelca · 01-17-2002, 04:30 PM

Bonus merchant patch? What's that? [img]smile.gif[/img] How do I know if I already have it, and where do I get it if I don't? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Erydian · 01-18-2002, 01:44 AM

The Bonus Merchants refers to special merchants that were added in the Collector's Version of the game, and perhaps the pre-ordered versions as well (not sure on that one).

There are two of them, one named Deidre, who will be in the Adventurer's Mart and another by the name of Joluv, who can be found in the Copper Coronet. If you've never seen either of these merchants before, you probably don't have the patch installed. [img]smile.gif[/img]

The Bonus Merchant patch can be found at Sorcerer's Place. Just follow the instructions given to install. Note that if you have TOB installed, the latest TOB patch adds one of these merchants (but not both).

As far as Haer'Dalis goes, as F. Gottwald says, he can be extremely effective, considering the various mage spells that are available to him. I'd advise studying your spellbook and selecting some of the more combat-orientated spells for him to use such as Protection from Magical/Normal Weapons, Stoneskin(as mentioned) etc.

Haer'Dalis can specialize in short swords and long swords, but can only become proficient with other types of weapons. Outfit him with some strength modifying items (there are certainly plenty to choose from), use offensive spin, and enjoy the show. And, if you use Defensive Spin (in addition to the protection spells listed above), he can act as a decent tank as well.

He also has a decent lore rating - as well as a surprisingly high pickpockets ability (considering the fact that as a Blade, he *should* have only half of the regular bard ability).

Whether or not you choose to use him in your party is entirely up to you. [img]smile.gif[/img] But Haer'Dalis can be (and is one of my favorite characters, from a role-playing point of view) a good addition to your party, particularly if you already have a designated "tank" and are looking for some extra damage.

Glorfindel · 01-18-2002, 02:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by BALROGBANE:
So is belm better than kundane as I have them both?

The best harp?

Well Kundane is probably better... But Haer'Dalis isnt proficent in either ti start off with... depends what u put ur proficiencies in

The best harp is the harp of pandemonium or the 1 u get in the Ilithid City that dispels Hold IMO of course

01-17-2002, 08:47 AM	#1
BALROGBANE Zhentarim Guard Join Date: October 18, 2001 Location: Peterlee,Durham,U.K Posts: 310	So what are the best things about using Haerdalis. Oh and as a tank who do ya reckon is better, him or Anomen. __________________ Dance like the dead !<br /> [img]ubb/noncgi/graemlins/knight.gif[/img] <p> BALROGBANE<br />The Soul Specter !!

01-17-2002, 08:56 AM	#2
F. Gottwald Manshoon Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Göttingen, Germany Posts: 153	haer´dalis is a reasonable backup mage, because of his higher casting level some spells are more effective than those of his mage counterparts (most notably skull trap). however, the area he truly shines in is magically enhanced combat - give him the pixie prick and kundane, cast several buffing spells (especially stoneskin) and hack away. he is a little vulnerable to tank all day without magical protection and vastly inferior to anomen in this respect, and without a strength modifier he has serious issues with his thaco. however, with 3 hits per round he is nevertheless decent at dealing out damage and if you can get your opponents to pummel on someone else while he cuts them to bits he can be a worthy addition to your melee fighters. __________________ The objective of persecution is persecution. The objective of torture is torture. The objective of power is power.

01-17-2002, 09:01 AM	#3
BALROGBANE Zhentarim Guard Join Date: October 18, 2001 Location: Peterlee,Durham,U.K Posts: 310	Whats Kundane? What weapons dose he use? __________________ Dance like the dead !<br /> [img]ubb/noncgi/graemlins/knight.gif[/img] <p> BALROGBANE<br />The Soul Specter !!

01-17-2002, 09:55 AM	#4
F. Gottwald Manshoon Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Göttingen, Germany Posts: 153	kundane is a short sword of quickness that grants an additional attack, essentially a poor mans belm, and iirc you get it in the planar prison. perhaps you´ve thrown it away accidentally because the description doesn´t state that you get another attack and it looks less than impressive otherwise... __________________ The objective of persecution is persecution. The objective of torture is torture. The objective of power is power.

01-17-2002, 10:40 AM	#5
BALROGBANE Zhentarim Guard Join Date: October 18, 2001 Location: Peterlee,Durham,U.K Posts: 310	So is belm better than kundane as I have them both? The best harp? __________________ Dance like the dead !<br /> [img]ubb/noncgi/graemlins/knight.gif[/img] <p> BALROGBANE<br />The Soul Specter !!

01-17-2002, 01:29 PM	#6
Nifft the Nimble Avatar Join Date: October 4, 2001 Location: NYC Forever! Age: 49 Posts: 520	Hi BALROGBANE, Haer'Dalis is a fun party member, but he needs serious micro-management. He's actually great as a ranged fighter, even with Offensive Spin. His high level and skill with 2-weapon fighting make him an ideal Melf's Minute Meteor hurler, but he'd be good with darts, bows or crossbows, whichever your party lacks. Anomen is a decent melee fighter, but needs to improve his Dex. before he's going to go far with missile weapons. I don't like his personality enough to get to know him in depth, so my advice on him isn't worth too much. Harps: do you have the Bonus Merchants patch? If so, the best harp is the Harp of Pandemonium. If not, it's probably the harp you get when you find him (in Mekrath's lair, on the altar with the planar gem) which causes confusion. -- Nifft

01-17-2002, 01:35 PM	#7
Jim Quintesson Join Date: May 1, 2001 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire, England Age: 43 Posts: 1,088	quote: So is belm better than kundane as I have them both? Both have speed factor 0, but belm hits for 1D8+2 instead of kundane's 1D6+2 so Belm rules supreme.

01-17-2002, 04:30 PM	#8
Spelca Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 3, 2002 Location: From Slovenia, in Sweden Age: 42 Posts: 931	Bonus merchant patch? What's that? [img]smile.gif[/img] How do I know if I already have it, and where do I get it if I don't? [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ At one time or another there will be a choice: you or the wall. (J. Winterson)

01-18-2002, 01:44 AM	#9
Erydian Manshoon Join Date: December 14, 2001 Location: the great beyond Posts: 172	The Bonus Merchants refers to special merchants that were added in the Collector's Version of the game, and perhaps the pre-ordered versions as well (not sure on that one). There are two of them, one named Deidre, who will be in the Adventurer's Mart and another by the name of Joluv, who can be found in the Copper Coronet. If you've never seen either of these merchants before, you probably don't have the patch installed. [img]smile.gif[/img] The Bonus Merchant patch can be found at Sorcerer's Place. Just follow the instructions given to install. Note that if you have TOB installed, the latest TOB patch adds one of these merchants (but not both). As far as Haer'Dalis goes, as F. Gottwald says, he can be extremely effective, considering the various mage spells that are available to him. I'd advise studying your spellbook and selecting some of the more combat-orientated spells for him to use such as Protection from Magical/Normal Weapons, Stoneskin(as mentioned) etc. Haer'Dalis can specialize in short swords and long swords, but can only become proficient with other types of weapons. Outfit him with some strength modifying items (there are certainly plenty to choose from), use offensive spin, and enjoy the show. And, if you use Defensive Spin (in addition to the protection spells listed above), he can act as a decent tank as well. He also has a decent lore rating - as well as a surprisingly high pickpockets ability (considering the fact that as a Blade, he should have only half of the regular bard ability). Whether or not you choose to use him in your party is entirely up to you. [img]smile.gif[/img] But Haer'Dalis can be (and is one of my favorite characters, from a role-playing point of view) a good addition to your party, particularly if you already have a designated "tank" and are looking for some extra damage. __________________ Erydian<br />

01-18-2002, 02:35 AM	#10
Glorfindel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Mt. Gambier, Australia Age: 36 Posts: 3,337	quote: Originally posted by BALROGBANE: So is belm better than kundane as I have them both? The best harp? Well Kundane is probably better... But Haer'Dalis isnt proficent in either ti start off with... depends what u put ur proficiencies in The best harp is the harp of pandemonium or the 1 u get in the Ilithid City that dispels Hold IMO of course

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