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Old 05-16-2001, 11:04 AM   #21
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Nice moves, but I'm sure I've seen some like it before, admittedly without all the thrust vectoring milarky.
I live/lived pretty close to Farnborough, where they hold the worlds 2nd/3rd biggest airshow. I normally venture down on one of the public days, to have a look around and watch the flying display. Having been a few times I think I can safely say that only the Russians are prepared to do things like that with their planes. I believe a couple of the manouveres involve stalling the engine, not a fanatastically sensible thing to do if you ask me. It's not just Sukoi that do this but Migs as well. However, the best aerobatic planes are the Mig 32's (Not entirely sure about the No.). They are prop driven, but the stunts they pull... In one the pilot flys straight up, slowing down and eventually stopping. Then without stalling, the plane is made to hover, it then starts to spin becuase of the motion of the propeller Incredible. Also a few years ago a stealth bomber flew straight over our house at low level, WOW it looked amazing. I was lucky to catch it because it was the only day it was there and I happened to be looking out of the window at the right time.
The big downside of all this is that I get woken up at the weekends for the 2 weeks before the show, because of all the jets flying about.


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Old 05-16-2001, 11:22 AM   #22
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Nice moves, but I'm sure I've seen some like it before, admittedly without all the thrust vectoring milarky.
I live/lived pretty close to Farnborough, where they hold the worlds 2nd/3rd biggest airshow. I normally venture down on one of the public days, to have a look around and watch the flying display. Having been a few times I think I can safely say that only the Russians are prepared to do things like that with their planes. I believe a couple of the manouveres involve stalling the engine, not a fanatastically sensible thing to do if you ask me. It's not just Sukoi that do this but Migs as well. However, the best aerobatic planes are the Mig 32's (Not entirely sure about the No.). They are prop driven, but the stunts they pull... In one the pilot flys straight up, slowing down and eventually stopping. Then without stalling, the plane is made to hover, it then starts to spin becuase of the motion of the propeller Incredible. Also a few years ago a stealth bomber flew straight over our house at low level, WOW it looked amazing. I was lucky to catch it because it was the only day it was there and I happened to be looking out of the window at the right time.
The big downside of all this is that I get woken up at the weekends for the 2 weeks before the show, because of all the jets flying about.

The stall manouvre they pull is called the Cobra and involves a steep climb, and just before the aircraft stalls cutting the power and pulling back on the stick so the aircraft comes out of the climb pointing straight up. The move is actually designed for air to air combat to allow an aircraft to break a pursuers' missile lock and to postion the aircraft with a good shot of the pursuer.

The best stunt aircraft I saw was a propellor driven Sukhoi, but I can't remember the designation either

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Old 05-16-2001, 04:03 PM   #23
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The Blackbird is the nickname for the SR-71.
I know that was the nickname!! , I remember buying little hot wheels sized replicas of that Aircraft and played with it (When I was little).

It's really sad that they retired them, they are great Aircraft.. If we went to war, I'm sure they would use them again..

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Old 05-16-2001, 06:17 PM   #24
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The best stunt aircraft I saw was a propellor driven Sukhoi, but I can't remember the designation either

Yep Sukhoi not Mig - got confused. It was a little red plane I think.

There's another stalling one called the tailslide - I think it was in the film. I'm also pretty sure that the SU-37 was a Farnborough in 2000, or even before, but I can't quite remeber exactly. Anyone?
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Old 05-16-2001, 06:44 PM   #25
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The last factor that is missing here is the US aircraft's "ultra long range" radars. There are hardly any countries out there that can match our targeting radars. Crap, an old piece of crap F-14 Tomcat can target and fire on a bogey from over 40 miles away. Never even see it coming...

1)Hardly any countries? How about Iran that has F-14s Japan with F-15Js

Taking of radars the most interest thing I've heard about the Stealth is that it isn't invisible to British Aerospace kit. At one airshow the F117A made a flypast, and the BAe radar that was at the show as a static display locked onto the plane, and you could see the dish following the plane as it did its display. Silly thing was the Radar operator had only tried to get the lock on as something to do to pass the time

Throntar on a more serious note what do you do in the aviation business?

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Old 05-16-2001, 06:50 PM   #26
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[Taking of radars the most interest thing I've heard about the Stealth is that it isn't invisible to British Aerospace kit. At one airshow the F117A made a flypast, and the BAe radar that was at the show as a static display locked onto the plane, and you could see the dish following the plane as it did its display. Silly thing was the Radar operator had only tried to get the lock on as something to do to pass the time

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I thought it was a heat seeking device on a stealth bomber - or was this a different time. I'm pretty sure I saw some footage of it on the news though.

One point - there is a difference getting a lock on a slow, low flying aircraft that you know the position of, and one that may/may not be there, flying at altitude, and a bit faster.

Still made me laugh though, how much do they cost....?
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Old 05-16-2001, 06:58 PM   #27
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Im afraid thats classified information sir.......tainly.

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Old 05-17-2001, 12:41 AM   #28
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Well, being a former "Nighthawker" (okay i was medic over at Holloman AFB home of the stealth fighter [another misnomer as it's a tactical bomber not a fighter]), the reason that the BAe probably got to lock on, is that on all stealths are a device that sends out a radar signiture. This allows for radar for Air Trafic Control to be able to see the stealth and let the ATC's be able to tell it where to go. At an air show, us yanks would be takin all precaution we can, so 10 to 1 they had the radar emitter turned on to keep the tower going on it.

Btw, the Japanes nor the Iranians have the AWACS or Fleet C3 capable of giving them the long range kills that the US, Brits, French, NATO, and Russia could do. I do think the Saudi's are going with the newer model of AWACS and should have the capabilities, likewise the Israel's have some of there own too.

Iranians F-14 will be out of service due to attrition (they can't get parts, and have to scavenge for replacement parts), can't say when, unless we decided to sell parts too them.

I do agree that at the end of WW2 the Japanes were hurting for pilots, but the matter was at the begining of the war, we were outclassed and outnumbered by there aircraft (case can be made of the galant defense of the Britian too), but, Allies use of better training and tactics beat out the better aircraft.

Personally, I find it great that both the US and Russia are still developing aircraft that can push the limit in Air Superiority Aircraft. I still contend that US, NATO, Allies, and a few others will have the better performance, due to our emphasis on training, tactics, C3, and overall teamwork. You can have the best aircraft, but if the pilot's don't get air time, maintance is minimal, and the wing ain't workin like a well oiled machine, your setin on the tarmac as a big ol expensive target.
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Old 05-17-2001, 04:18 AM   #29
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Well, being a former "Nighthawker" (okay i was medic over at Holloman AFB home of the stealth fighter [another misnomer as it's a tactical bomber not a fighter]), the reason that the BAe probably got to lock on, is that on all stealths are a device that sends out a radar signiture. This allows for radar for Air Trafic Control to be able to see the stealth and let the ATC's be able to tell it where to go. At an air show, us yanks would be takin all precaution we can, so 10 to 1 they had the radar emitter turned on to keep the tower going on it.

Btw, the Japanes nor the Iranians have the AWACS or Fleet C3 capable of giving them the long range kills that the US, Brits, French, NATO, and Russia could do. I do think the Saudi's are going with the newer model of AWACS and should have the capabilities, likewise the Israel's have some of there own too.

Iranians F-14 will be out of service due to attrition (they can't get parts, and have to scavenge for replacement parts), can't say when, unless we decided to sell parts too them.

I do agree that at the end of WW2 the Japanes were hurting for pilots, but the matter was at the begining of the war, we were outclassed and outnumbered by there aircraft (case can be made of the galant defense of the Britian too), but, Allies use of better training and tactics beat out the better aircraft.

Personally, I find it great that both the US and Russia are still developing aircraft that can push the limit in Air Superiority Aircraft. I still contend that US, NATO, Allies, and a few others will have the better performance, due to our emphasis on training, tactics, C3, and overall teamwork. You can have the best aircraft, but if the pilot's don't get air time, maintance is minimal, and the wing ain't workin like a well oiled machine, your setin on the tarmac as a big ol expensive target.
Hi Jimbo, good to hear from somebody who has been close to the aircraft, well on the same base anyway

I think the radar thing would have been funnier given the person doing the tannoy saying stuff about how stealthy the plane was an there's a dish tracking it. You are probably right though about not having the plane in "Stealth Mode" so to speak. Although the boys and girls at BAe are pretty crafty, but you can bet even if they had come up with a way to track a Stealth our tight Government would never spend money on it. The government here seems to always won't to get equipment when it has aged so much it has got cheap. Were getting AH-64 almost 20 years after you, and our Wheeled armoured vehicle project is floundering so we could end up with LAVs. Still don't have air launched anti-tank missile yet fore aircraft, nor stand off missiles. Brimstone and Stormshadow are still in development. Haven't had anythging since the withdrawal of the AS-30 years ago.

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Old 05-18-2001, 12:18 AM   #30
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Sir Tainly, I agree the reason the USSR built the MIG 25 was to counter the B-70. I was talking about the USAF's reason for the F-15, or at least the publicly stated reason was to counter the MIG 25. The fight your fight comment comes from Robert S. Johnson an American ace in WWII (27 or 28 kills) RSJ flew a P-47 against the ME 109 & FW(forgot the #), both German planes could out turn and out manuver the P-47. RSJ got his kills from using his advantages and not alowing the German pilots to use theirs. RSJ in his book "Thunderbolt" says that nothing in the air (that the Germans had at that time) could roll or dive with the P-47.
"Thunderbolt" is an interesting book if you like war bio's. RSJ tells of a time his P-47 was damaged and he was trying to get back to England a ME 109 saw him and thought he had an easy kill. The ME 109 got RSJ in his sights and fired a couple of brusts into the P-47. RSJ cuold feel the 20mm canon shells hitting the armour plate behind his seat. After the bursts the German pilot flew beside RSJ and looked at the damaged P-47 shook his head then lined up for another shot at RSJ. The German pilot repeated this shoot then fly in formation to look at what was holding the P-47 in the air until his guns were empty. The German pilot escorted RSJ over the coast of France at low altitude, and over the teeth of the German AA guns. I guess the German pilot figured that if he couldn't shoot RSJ down He wasn't going to let anyone else do it. Over the English Channel the German tipped his wings, shook his head, waved good bye, and headed back to his base.

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