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Old 05-06-2003, 03:47 PM   #81
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Hmmn seems like a little bit of rule bending on the part of God... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Would you argue with him?
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Old 05-06-2003, 04:12 PM   #82
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I argue with everyone, If God cannot take a little constructive criticism it is not my problem is it? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 05-06-2003, 04:24 PM   #83
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So really a miracle is divine magic?
Hmmn seems like a little bit of rule bending on the part of God... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I'm kinda glad we had this discussion its been nice to discuss stuff with people who dont shove their views down my throat!
Thanks guys!
slicer gave an excellent description of this in the "Religions at Ironworks" thread.

Magic comes from Satan (who was given a portion of God's power before his fall from grace). So magic is God's power abused by Satan whereas the miracles performed by Jesus and the Apostles was an example of God's power used responsibly and at God's direction.
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Old 05-06-2003, 05:25 PM   #84
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Right ok. let me see. what i reaaly want to hear is a proof of god that doesnt include ANY loose ends. for example alot of the arguments i have heard include the justification of beleif in god, as 'the bible says to belive'. ok fine. how do we know the bible is wright? 'The bible says so'. ok no what else you got? 'God wrote the bible'. how do you know? 'It says so'. how many times have i heard the argument that he exists because he does. along the lines of Innocent until proven guilty - i should never need to offer a disproof of god, i should be offered a real proof in favor. it is a lot harder to disprove existance of something than it is to prove it exists. for example - 'Disprove the Existance of aliens'. can you do it?

on the thought of impossibility of omnipotance, i totally agree. omnipotance creates a paradox which could not survive in a universe of ordered rules, as ours seems to be. and if he did exist without omnipotance he is therefore a powerful non human. an alien. so far as i can see, if you belive in god, you technically belive in aliens.

I dont know what you belive but i know what i do. 'What is the matrix? control. it turns a normal human into this (battery)' (paraphrased). What is God? control to turn a normal human into the preachers slave. you dont do what he wants your Obviously going to hell. you do what he wants and its heavan for you. Cynical i know but it makes sence.

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Old 05-06-2003, 05:33 PM   #85
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quote:
Originally posted by FelixJaeger:
So really a miracle is divine magic?
Hmmn seems like a little bit of rule bending on the part of God... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I'm kinda glad we had this discussion its been nice to discuss stuff with people who dont shove their views down my throat!
Thanks guys!
slicer gave an excellent description of this in the "Religions at Ironworks" thread.

Magic comes from Satan (who was given a portion of God's power before his fall from grace). So magic is God's power abused by Satan whereas the miracles performed by Jesus and the Apostles was an example of God's power used responsibly and at God's direction.
[/QUOTE]So I can practice clerical divine spells but not mage spells, right? What about spells like detect evil/good that exist in both? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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