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I will note, that immigrants that I have taked to who have tried living in europe, in Germany, France, Greece, Italy and England have all commented on how rotten immigrants are treated there compared to here, these people are now successful americans (they are part of a small business owners group here in the DC area..it is great to hear their stories of success) who tried making a go of it in Europe and were rejected. There is a reason why the country everyone seems to be trying to get to is the US and not the EU. Maybe when you get it all organized it will change..but right now the Eu is not a friendly place for immigrants. P.S. Im not bashing those countries, Im just relaying what some small business owners here have related. I personally have never tried to survive in any of them as an immigrant. |
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The people who couldnt make it, and because of that have a grunge against that country Thew Pople who did make it obviously, still live in that country. On a side note, Italy and Greece arent greatly structured yet, I'll give you that
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President Bush is not the blame for North Korea's actions and attitudes - North Korea is. Here is a link to a story on CNN citing the loooooong running tensions between the U.S. and North Korea. It dates all the way back to Dwight D. Eisenhower and the after-effects of the Korean War. Tension with North Korea I do agree with your sentiment (and that of others) that the U.S. should listen to those who keep telling us to "mind our own business". I also agree that it wouldn't take more than a year for many of those same critics to be asking for our help again and blaming us of "turning a blind eye" to global problems. We are in a no-win situation. We will be criticized for any action we take and we will be equally criticized for taking no action.
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01-16-2003, 11:12 AM | #36 | |
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The people who couldnt make it, and because of that have a grunge against that country Thew Pople who did make it obviously, still live in that country. On a side note, Italy and Greece arent greatly structured yet, I'll give you that[/QB][/QUOTE]Actually you didn't read what I wrote. They were IMMIGRANTS in THOSE countries too, they were from eastern europe and the middle east and the European coountries (according to them) treated them like Sh*t...they managed to get the America where suddenly these "loosers" (from your apparent perspective) are able to be respectible business owners and citizens.... Please read what I write before responding. |
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Anyway, from my own experience (as child of an immigrant and being surrounded by people who immegrated to Holland) Europe is not such a hard place to live. My Parents moved from China to the netherlands and they made it up to the upper middle class. Some people will always have trouble living a specific country because of the culture. American Culture is quite different from Dutch Culture and Dutch culture is very different from French. If you are unlucky to end up in a country where people think differently and act differently from you, it's very very hard to integrate, and start a thriving business. Alderian had trouble living in Holland for example, and he came from england. There's loads of people who have trouble living in the US, a friend of my brothers moved to the US and he didnt like it. That doesnt mean the country is bad, it means that they had a bad experience with that country.
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It takes two to tango, that is, it take two to wage war and to engage in agressive posturing. History reveals that walking softly and carrying a big stick is the best way to handle N. Korea and avoid conflict. Clinton policies along these lines helped achieve somewhat of a dialog over there. Bush policies have been anything but diplomatic concerning N. Korea and have set back relations 20 years. You may choose not to see GWB's role in the current escelation of tension, but it is there.
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