To Abort or Not To Abort: That is the Question?

Reeka · 06-03-2003, 10:39 AM

I confess that I do not have all the details on this. If someone can fill-in-the-blanks, please do so. There is a case in Florida where a mentally impaired woman, she has the mind of a toddler (that puts her at someonwhere between the ages of 1 and 3 in mental understanding) was raped (I do not know who, where or if they caught the perpretrator). She is now pregnant. A judge has appointment a legal gaurdian for her to determine if she should have an abortion or not. He also was critical of "the system" for not having seen that the woman had some sort of legal guardian long before this event happened. The woman does not understand that she is pregant.

What do you think? Please, I do not want this to be a general discussion of abortion, please stay on topic as to your thoughts on this PARTICULAR case.

Again, if anyone can supply for detailed information than what I have outlined here, please do so.

I have to get back to work, but will state my opinion later.

Lovisa · 06-03-2003, 10:51 AM

I haven't heard anything about this, but I think that she should do the abortion. If she doesn't even know that she's pregnant she obviously can't take care of the baby and if she will get birth to it and they'll take it away from her she might get very upset because it's her baby. Besides she was raped and doesn't have any one that help her with the raising of the child and it won't have a father. This is just my opinion.

06-03-2003, 10:54 AM

A sad situation but unlike Lovisa, I am not quite so quick to write off a human foetus....I think they should allow her to give birth and put the kid up for adoption. This way they both win, she doesnt have to take care of a child (she is incapable) and the kid has a chance at life.

Donut · 06-03-2003, 10:58 AM

It's a done thing

Actually there are two such cases in Florida.

[ 06-03-2003, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

Yorick · 06-03-2003, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MagiK:

A sad situation but unlike Lovisa, I am not quite so quick to write off a human foetus....I think they should allow her to give birth and put the kid up for adoption. This way they both win, she doesnt have to take care of a child (she is incapable) and the kid has a chance at life.

I agree 100%

Yorick · 06-03-2003, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Donut:
It's a done thing

Actually there are two such cases in Florida.

Well there you go

Lovisa · 06-03-2003, 11:23 AM

When she give birth to the child she might not wanna give it up for adoption she might think that it belongs to her. And one thing, won't it be a risk that the baby will get some mental or psycical problems?

Bardan the Slayer · 06-03-2003, 01:31 PM

A growing human being is not a commodity that can be conveniently disposed of, no matter the sad situation. If the mom isn't capable of providing care for the child, then let her have it and it be adopted. Don't crumple up the little human being growing in her and throw it in the trash just because the situation was less than perfect. Who are we to decide that this human being isn't fit to live? He/she could grow up to be a famous doctor/poet/scientist. He/she could play a leading role in the space programme, finding a cure for cancer, anything. Let's not judge the child as worthless and disposeable just because it's life started in bad surroundings.

Of course, the kid is going to have a hard time of it. As well as maybe carrying the genes for mental disability, it'll also be carrying half the genes of a man capable of raping a child with a woman's body. I just hope that nurture plays a greater role than nature (though i suspect it doesn't)

[ 06-03-2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ]

Stormymystic · 06-03-2003, 01:40 PM

my veiw on it is like this....
The child had nothing to do with its mother being raped, if it is deemed safe for her to have the child, then she should be allowed to do so, just because someone is mentalyill does not mean they are not capeable of having a child, maybe not taking care of it, but still having it, and someimes when a mother has a child, she will "grow up" mentaly, not saying this is what will happen, but she should be given the chance to be a mother, that is the way i feel, if the gaurdian can not accept thaat, then she needs a new gaurdian

Rokenn · 06-03-2003, 01:43 PM

A state ordered abortion of a healthy fetus would have set a very bad precendent.
In this case though, with the health of the mother at stake and the low chance of survial of the fetus (10%) it seems to have been the only choice.

06-03-2003, 10:39 AM	#1
Reeka Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: March 2, 2001 Location: Birmingham, Alabama, USA Age: 70 Posts: 3,255	I confess that I do not have all the details on this. If someone can fill-in-the-blanks, please do so. There is a case in Florida where a mentally impaired woman, she has the mind of a toddler (that puts her at someonwhere between the ages of 1 and 3 in mental understanding) was raped (I do not know who, where or if they caught the perpretrator). She is now pregnant. A judge has appointment a legal gaurdian for her to determine if she should have an abortion or not. He also was critical of "the system" for not having seen that the woman had some sort of legal guardian long before this event happened. The woman does not understand that she is pregant. What do you think? Please, I do not want this to be a general discussion of abortion, please stay on topic as to your thoughts on this PARTICULAR case. Again, if anyone can supply for detailed information than what I have outlined here, please do so. I have to get back to work, but will state my opinion later. __________________ <b>Order of the Holy Flame</b><br /><i>Member of Clan HADB</i><br /><b>Laughing Hyena</b><br /><i>Clan Liaison, IW Peace Keeping Force</i><br /><i>[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com/Forum/index.php?board=29\" target=\"_blank\">The Silver River VoiceChat!</a><br />Last Saturday of every month. <br />See the forum link for scheduling!<br /><b> </b><br /></i><br /><b>Admin and Co-Owner of [url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com\" target=\"_blank\">The Silver River</a></b><br />[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com\" target=\"_blank\"></a>

06-03-2003, 10:51 AM	#2
Lovisa Manshoon Join Date: May 29, 2002 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 35 Posts: 171	I haven't heard anything about this, but I think that she should do the abortion. If she doesn't even know that she's pregnant she obviously can't take care of the baby and if she will get birth to it and they'll take it away from her she might get very upset because it's her baby. Besides she was raped and doesn't have any one that help her with the raising of the child and it won't have a father. This is just my opinion. __________________ <br />\"The one who becomes the Pillar has a stronger hart than anyone else.<br />So, the Pillar becomes the creator of Cephiro.<br />But is that heart truly free?\"

06-03-2003, 10:58 AM	#4
Donut Jack Burton Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Airstrip One Age: 40 Posts: 5,571	It's a done thing Actually there are two such cases in Florida. [ 06-03-2003, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Donut ] __________________ [img]\"http://www.wheatsheaf.freeserve.co.uk/roastspurs.gif\" alt=\" - \" /> <br />Proud member of the Axis of Upheaval<br />Official Titterer of the Laughing Hyenas<br />Josiah Bartlet - the best President the US never had.<br />The 1st D in the D & D Show

06-03-2003, 11:23 AM	#7
Lovisa Manshoon Join Date: May 29, 2002 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 35 Posts: 171	When she give birth to the child she might not wanna give it up for adoption she might think that it belongs to her. And one thing, won't it be a risk that the baby will get some mental or psycical problems? __________________ <br />\"The one who becomes the Pillar has a stronger hart than anyone else.<br />So, the Pillar becomes the creator of Cephiro.<br />But is that heart truly free?\"

06-03-2003, 01:31 PM	#8
Bardan the Slayer Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: August 16, 2002 Location: Newcastle, England Age: 45 Posts: 699	A growing human being is not a commodity that can be conveniently disposed of, no matter the sad situation. If the mom isn't capable of providing care for the child, then let her have it and it be adopted. Don't crumple up the little human being growing in her and throw it in the trash just because the situation was less than perfect. Who are we to decide that this human being isn't fit to live? He/she could grow up to be a famous doctor/poet/scientist. He/she could play a leading role in the space programme, finding a cure for cancer, anything. Let's not judge the child as worthless and disposeable just because it's life started in bad surroundings. Of course, the kid is going to have a hard time of it. As well as maybe carrying the genes for mental disability, it'll also be carrying half the genes of a man capable of raping a child with a woman's body. I just hope that nurture plays a greater role than nature (though i suspect it doesn't) [ 06-03-2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ] __________________ <br />[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com\" target=\"_blank\">Admin and Co-Owner of The Silver River!</a><br />[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com/Photo%20Album/Reeka.html\" target=\"_blank\">SMNOOOOOOCH!</a> You know who it\'s meant for <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Wink]\" src=\"wink.gif\" />

06-03-2003, 10:54 AM	#3
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	A sad situation but unlike Lovisa, I am not quite so quick to write off a human foetus....I think they should allow her to give birth and put the kid up for adoption. This way they both win, she doesnt have to take care of a child (she is incapable) and the kid has a chance at life.

06-03-2003, 01:40 PM	#9
Stormymystic Knight of the Rose Join Date: April 8, 2003 Location: Arkansas Age: 48 Posts: 4,442	my veiw on it is like this.... The child had nothing to do with its mother being raped, if it is deemed safe for her to have the child, then she should be allowed to do so, just because someone is mentalyill does not mean they are not capeable of having a child, maybe not taking care of it, but still having it, and someimes when a mother has a child, she will "grow up" mentaly, not saying this is what will happen, but she should be given the chance to be a mother, that is the way i feel, if the gaurdian can not accept thaat, then she needs a new gaurdian __________________ [url]\"http://stormymystic.deviantart.com/gallery/\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3968/stormyvx6.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

06-03-2003, 01:43 PM	#10
Rokenn Galvatron Join Date: January 22, 2002 Location: california wine country Age: 60 Posts: 2,193	A state ordered abortion of a healthy fetus would have set a very bad precendent. In this case though, with the health of the mother at stake and the low chance of survial of the fetus (10%) it seems to have been the only choice. __________________ “This is an impressive crowd, the haves and the have mores. <br />Some people call you the elite. <br />I call you my base.”<br />~ George W. Bush (2000)

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