Mahathir

Leonis · 10-19-2003, 11:00 AM

I may be wrong, but it looks like no one's been discussing this here:

The Speech

Aussie PM John Howard's response

'Malaysia's' response

I'm intersted to know what others are thinking about this...

Paladin2000 · 10-19-2003, 02:57 PM

Just an old man, prior to his retirement; trying to draw some attention to himself.

Nevertheless, I got this feeling that the old man has some serious issues with the Israelis. After all, Malaysian citizens are allowed to travel to all other countries EXCEPT Israel.

[ 10-19-2003, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Paladin2000 ]

Ar-Cunin · 10-19-2003, 03:34 PM

Maybe trying to put himself into position for a future international job?

- in a muslim organisation that is.

It isn't the first time he's come forward with such statements.

Skunk · 10-19-2003, 06:43 PM

Leonis,
The speech that you linked to was actually delivered in June of this year.

The actual speech in question can be found here.

The man has taken serious issue with the way that Europeans and Israel have treated muslim nations both in the past and present.

God only knows what he meant by "But today, the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them."
Presumabley, he was echoing the widely held belief that US middle-eastern policy is shaped and controlled by the state of Israel and the US Jewish lobby - a belief that is the result of the uneven-handed approach to the Palestine question.

The part about getting others to fight and die for them is probably a reference to Iraq war - it is another widely held belief that the war was prompted at the behest of the US Jewish lobby - rather than for non-existent WMD's.

These two lines which repeat 'the man in the street opinion' marred an otherwise excellent speech and analysis of the current problems facing muslim society and countries today.

Rather a shame.

Dundee Slaytern · 10-19-2003, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paladin2000:
~~ Malaysian citizens are allowed to travel to all other countries EXCEPT Israel.

Hehe, thankee for the Internet.

Some of my best online pals are from Israel.

Yorick · 10-20-2003, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skunk:
Leonis,
The speech that you linked to was actually delivered in June of this year.

The actual speech in question can be found here.

The man has taken serious issue with the way that Europeans and Israel have treated muslim nations both in the past and present.

God only knows what he meant by "But today, the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them."
Presumabley, he was echoing the widely held belief that US middle-eastern policy is shaped and controlled by the state of Israel and the US Jewish lobby - a belief that is the result of the uneven-handed approach to the Palestine question.

The part about getting others to fight and die for them is probably a reference to Iraq war - it is another widely held belief that the war was prompted at the behest of the US Jewish lobby - rather than for non-existent WMD's.

These two lines which repeat 'the man in the street opinion' marred an otherwise excellent speech and analysis of the current problems facing muslim society and countries today.

Rather a shame.

I referenced this in the other thread without knowing Leonis had posted this.

Mahathir has been a prickly character for years. I mentioned his mobilisation of the Malaysian army near the border with Singapre, after the Singaporean leader made comments praising Singaporean Malays (Over Malaysian Malays)

His relationship with Australia has been terrible. We reached a new low in Asian relations when the oh-so diplomatic (read moronic) Australian Prime Minister PAUL KEATING decided to call Mahathir "recalcitrant". Mahathir continually used his influence in Asia to keep Australia out of Asia. I'm afraid it is where it is. You can't move the Island down to Antarctica...

Skunk · 10-20-2003, 05:14 PM

Just heard Mahathir's comments at the APEC summit:

"We are ready to be exploited; but we would like to be fairly exploited..."

He has a sardonic sense of humour!

Dundee Slaytern · 10-21-2003, 12:37 AM

Imagine what we have to go through everyday. [img]tongue.gif[/img] There's enough "comedy" for everybody. What with the reclaimation/lighthouse/railway/water(shudder)/etc... issues being beaten like a dead horse over and over and over and over and over... ...

Paladin2000 · 10-21-2003, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Imagine what we have to go through everyday. [img]tongue.gif[/img] There's enough "comedy" for everybody. What with the reclaimation/lighthouse/railway/water(shudder)/etc... issues being beaten like a dead horse over and over and over and over and over... ...

Being a small and rich nation, Singapore seems to be an ideal neighbour to be picked on by the Malaysian government. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

The way I see it, the only one worth fighting over is the water issue since the Malaysian goverment looses money by suppling water to Singapore. If I am a businessman, I would have backed away from such a shoddy deal long time ago. It goes without saying that the majority of the Malays aren't very bright indeed.

[ 10-21-2003, 05:40 AM: Message edited by: Paladin2000 ]

Dundee Slaytern · 10-21-2003, 07:39 AM

Woah, hold your horses there fella. While I find the whole water issue ludricious, I would exercise caution in so casually describing the majority of Malays as stupid.

It is just tactless and only serves to add fuel to the fire. Not to mention that I am Malaysian (Singaporean PR only) so I tend to feel aggravated by such remarks. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The water issue is not so much about economics, but politics. Yes, the price is absurd when seen in today's terms, but bear in mind that this was set in a treaty written in the 60s.

People often talk about the selling price of the raw water (which I assure you, no sane civilised man will want to drink from), but fail to remember that we sell it back at a discounted price as well. The price that Malaysia pays to buy back the treated water is cheaper than if it had treated the water themselves.

Not to say that the Singapore government is totally uncaring though. There has been offers of a raise for the cost of the raw water, but naturally, the Malaysian government wants a higher price.

This is, in summary, the water issue.

10-19-2003, 11:00 AM	#1
Leonis Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 6, 2001 Location: Somewhere on Earth - it changes often Posts: 1,292	I may be wrong, but it looks like no one's been discussing this here: The Speech Aussie PM John Howard's response 'Malaysia's' response I'm intersted to know what others are thinking about this... __________________ Better run through the jungle! Grrr...

10-19-2003, 02:57 PM	#2
Paladin2000 Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: February 19, 2002 Location: Your guess is as good as mine. Age: 52 Posts: 1,728	Just an old man, prior to his retirement; trying to draw some attention to himself. Nevertheless, I got this feeling that the old man has some serious issues with the Israelis. After all, Malaysian citizens are allowed to travel to all other countries EXCEPT Israel. [ 10-19-2003, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Paladin2000 ] __________________ (This is an invisible sig.)

10-19-2003, 03:34 PM	#3
Ar-Cunin Ra Join Date: August 14, 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Age: 52 Posts: 2,326	Maybe trying to put himself into position for a future international job? - in a muslim organisation that is. It isn't the first time he's come forward with such statements. __________________ Life is a laugh <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[biglaugh]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/biglaugh.gif\" /> - and DEATH is the final joke <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[hehe]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/hehe.gif\" />

10-19-2003, 06:43 PM	#4
Skunk Banned User Join Date: September 3, 2001 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 62 Posts: 1,463	Leonis, The speech that you linked to was actually delivered in June of this year. The actual speech in question can be found here. The man has taken serious issue with the way that Europeans and Israel have treated muslim nations both in the past and present. God only knows what he meant by "But today, the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them." Presumabley, he was echoing the widely held belief that US middle-eastern policy is shaped and controlled by the state of Israel and the US Jewish lobby - a belief that is the result of the uneven-handed approach to the Palestine question. The part about getting others to fight and die for them is probably a reference to Iraq war - it is another widely held belief that the war was prompted at the behest of the US Jewish lobby - rather than for non-existent WMD's. These two lines which repeat 'the man in the street opinion' marred an otherwise excellent speech and analysis of the current problems facing muslim society and countries today. Rather a shame.

10-20-2003, 05:14 PM	#7
Skunk Banned User Join Date: September 3, 2001 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 62 Posts: 1,463	Just heard Mahathir's comments at the APEC summit: "We are ready to be exploited; but we would like to be fairly exploited..." He has a sardonic sense of humour!

10-21-2003, 12:37 AM	#8
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Imagine what we have to go through everyday. [img]tongue.gif[/img] There's enough "comedy" for everybody. What with the reclaimation/lighthouse/railway/water(shudder)/etc... issues being beaten like a dead horse over and over and over and over and over... ...

10-21-2003, 07:39 AM	#10
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Woah, hold your horses there fella. While I find the whole water issue ludricious, I would exercise caution in so casually describing the majority of Malays as stupid. It is just tactless and only serves to add fuel to the fire. Not to mention that I am Malaysian (Singaporean PR only) so I tend to feel aggravated by such remarks. [img]tongue.gif[/img] The water issue is not so much about economics, but politics. Yes, the price is absurd when seen in today's terms, but bear in mind that this was set in a treaty written in the 60s. People often talk about the selling price of the raw water (which I assure you, no sane civilised man will want to drink from), but fail to remember that we sell it back at a discounted price as well. The price that Malaysia pays to buy back the treated water is cheaper than if it had treated the water themselves. Not to say that the Singapore government is totally uncaring though. There has been offers of a raise for the cost of the raw water, but naturally, the Malaysian government wants a higher price. This is, in summary, the water issue.

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