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“I think therefore I am”, this is defiantly proof of our existence, therefore there are degrees of proof, even if only 3. I.e absolute proof, that is Cogito ergo sum, and contingent truth like 2+2= 4 and every other “truth”.[/QUOTE]That is proof of your existence? No, it is not. You have no proof, how are you sure that you think? Might you not just be reacting in very complex instinctive ways? Sorry Dramnek, I've yet to see any actual proof from you. 2+2=4? How can you be sure that that is true? How can you prove that 2+2=555 isn't true? It's relative [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's both true and untrue at the same time, by one rule it is true, by another rule it is not. But which rule is the correct one? Neither, therefore none of them are true, none of them are correct, none of them are proof.[/QUOTE]2+2 cannot ever be anything but 4 since it is a Contingent truth, you cannot have 2+2 equalling anything other than 4, it just cannot happen. It is part of the very basis of 2+2 that they equal 4, since it is a contingent truth. Also you are attacking a straw man, The Cogito is not proof of my existence but it is proof of yours. If you deny that you exist, you are involved in a self-contradiction. Also numbers are representations of groups that we find in the real world, we then assign words to these groups to represent them, therefore these words cannot represent anything but these arbitrary groups, 4 cannot start equalling 3 in the real world since again it is a contingent truth that 4 is 4 things together in a group. As I have said it is a contingent truth, and therefore to mankind it is true and cannot be any other way.[/QB][/QUOTE]Unless I was using a different system than you? [img]tongue.gif[/img] There ARE numerical systems where 2+2 would not equal 4. Damn, this is one of those rare occasions where I know the words in Danish but not in English.... Like.... In "our" system 5+5=10 But in another 8+8=10 might be true.... So in a system where 2+2=10, 2+2=4 cannot be true [img]tongue.gif[/img] |
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Why should an organisation be allowed to refuse to hire someone, simply because of his or her sex or sexuality except under extraordinary circumstances? What you are implying is that it’s okay for religions to discriminate against people, simply because it’s part of their belief, what makes religion so special that this should be allowed? Quote:
People who are gHeY basically have the part of their brain that controls sexual attraction slightly differently from heterosexual men, put simply it doesn’t pick up testosterone as well, the hormone testosterone is what tells men to be attracted to women, without this hormone the part of the brain the controls sexual attraction “defaults” to men, therefore it is not in anyway a consciousness decision, also we do not know what all of our genes do yet, therefore, it is quite possible many people of education agree, that this failure by part of the brain to pick up testosterone is actually a genetic deviance from the “standard” male template. Some have hazarded a guess it may be something to do with the way in which our gender clocks activate and perhaps the sexual attraction parts of the brain being left out or underdeveloped, since all foetuses up till about 14 weeks develop as females and only then do the hormones that control gender activate. Quote:
It is also consenting acts and/or love between two adults of legal age. Therefore if these churches are truly tolerant and promoting of love and happiness they will treat being gHeY no different from being straight, otherwise they are simply being discriminatory without good reason, other than “god doesn’t like it” which of course goes against their principles, and it counts as gay bashing (and hypocrisy) on their part therefore if they condemn it. Quote:
If something, which is supposed to be about peace and love, has justified genocide, burning at the stake, discrimination, racism, war and a whole host of other nasty things shouldn’t we be looking at whether it is fundamentally flawed? I mean the bible is so vague and open you can justify anything you like from it, surely if religion was all about peace and love, you’d only be able to justify peace and love with it? Whereas you can actually justify killing adulterers and homosexuals with it. Quote:
[quote]Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Did you have a really bad personal experience, or do you just dislike religion on general principal? I'm honostly and sincerely curious about this, so don't classify it as another "Ad-Hominem" attack, because it isn't. I just want to know your motivation. Quote:
If I want a new car, I will not buy, it if when I ask about the chances of it breaking down, the sales man says, “You must have faith that it won’t” If a scientist puts forth a theory, if they said, “you must have faith that it is right” they’d be laughed at. They would have to try a prove it or at least get evidence through experiments. If I wish to find a politician to vote for, I will not vote for him because he simply says, “you must have faith that my ideology will work” I will examine my books of knowledge and see what economic fact & theory has to say about their polices etc etc |
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Neb, please don't nest multiple quotes that way. Ziroc has already made a ruling on this. Until this little feature gets rectified, just cut and paste what you want to quote, or delete out the nested parts. That goes for everyone else as well.
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It still equals the same value, that's like saying it doesn't equal the same in a different language, just because it's a different word for it. If you told them to pint out the amount of marks the sum of the figures represents it would still have the same value, which in our system equals 4. [ 05-15-2002, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Talthyr Malkaviel ]
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And besides, yes Scientists would get laughed at, but Christians wouldn't, because they believe that's perfectly acceptable, you're using one set of rules for a completely different thing.
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Indeed, and 17 in binary is 10001, but it's base ten counting system equivalent is the same, and there is a link, as there are formulas for converting decimal to binary and vice versa.
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My point is, Dramnek, and it applies to everything you've said so far in this thread, when you say something is true no discussion allowed, in fact it is not, because you always base what you say on unsaid assumptions. You see things from only one angle. When you'll admit that the same thing can be viewed from many angles, some of them one may not grasp because of his/her own frame of mind but nonetheless very clear for other people, you'll have made a great step towards wisdom. Keep in mind Socrate's greatest lesson of wisdom : "I know that I know nothing" ... [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 05-15-2002, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Moiraine ]
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And besides, yes Scientists would get laughed at, but Christians wouldn't, because they believe that's perfectly acceptable, you're using one set of rules for a completely different thing.[/QB][/QUOTE] there are only so many ways of putting things into practice. The point is that we’ve seen it all before, and can usually judge what the economic and socio-political effects will be from sociology, psychology and economics information and practice. For example we know what the given effects of devaluing a currency will be (a current account surplus, higher inflation etc) Also if you place unqestioning faith in one idea, yet not in other ones that take a similar line of reasoning, does that not give you inconsisten beleifs? [ 05-15-2002, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: Dramnek_Ulk ] |
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