The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) - Page 2

Mozenwrathe · 02-24-2008, 11:14 AM

Turns out the strength route doesn't really work. I know this because at twenty five levels thus far, my character with a +8 bow and a lot of magical items is sitting with at +36 AB. With the Ball of Deathattacks from Level Fifteen (+13 handheld weapon).... sitting with +49. So it seems I have to stay with the dexterity route, but I do so want to see what happens when this one is finished with Devestating Critical as part of the package.

robertthebard · 02-29-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mozenwrathe

Turns out the strength route doesn't really work. I know this because at twenty five levels thus far, my character with a +8 bow and a lot of magical items is sitting with at +36 AB. With the Ball of Deathattacks from Level Fifteen (+13 handheld weapon).... sitting with +49. So it seems I have to stay with the dexterity route, but I do so want to see what happens when this one is finished with Devestating Critical as part of the package.

Which comes back to what I said. If you're going archer, your best route is AA. If you want a Dev Crit Archer, then Bard/RDD/AA. Maybe even Sorc. In a word, str based archers suck, since dex is the controlling stat.

Mozenwrathe · 03-02-2008, 09:09 AM

something else bad happened...
it seems that the Epic Prowess did not show up when I created this build using the longbow. I am very saddened by this fact. Maybe it has something to do with it being a longbow (ranged) instead of a close up weapon. Regardless, I have to write this character down as a failure with the bow for the time being. At least she seems to be strong enough to wail away on her foes with a sword in the later levels. Though I have to admit, taking her through Levels One through Six as well as the Trollbark and the Tradeways shall be interesting - not to mention all those nasty, icky creatures in the Waterdeep Sewer System. I think it's time I visited The Metal Mage's Realm and spend a few million on arrows down there... I replaced the Epic Prowess with something else... Great Dexterity I. This was in the hopes of getting Great Dexterity II somehow for the last little bit...

..and I managed to snag Great Dexterity II to increase the bow's accuracy slightly. as well, instead of the final Favoured Enemy, I took Epic Toughness for an additional 20 HP. maybe I should have gone with two more Great Strengths (V and VI), but such is. The character is technically a "failure" for the lower levels of the Undermountain, but is great support for other characters AND now has scroll capability. With light enough armor, I even get free dual wielding - fun with those Sahaugin Longswords...

Garnet FalconDance · 03-02-2008, 12:30 PM

Moz, sweetie, Dexterity is the attribute used for prowess with ranged weaponry - which includes the bow, of course --- unless you're a dwarven archer, in which case you are as likely to use your unstrung bow stave in lieu of a quarterstaff as not, in which case Strength might be more usefull

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toot033 · 03-07-2008, 11:32 AM

"Moz, sweetie, Dexterity is the attribute used for prowess with ranged weaponry" - There is a loop hole to this. Prowess works if you use zen archery. My 14 cleric/1wiz/25 AA has a nice AB and prowess works ( I can really boost it with divine power/bless etc.

).
base AB at lvl 40 - +66 ( w/ proving ground bow and assorted items to boost wisdom)
w/ bless - +67
w/ bless/ divine favor ( extended) +75
w/ bless/divine favor( extended) / battletide ( extended) +77
throw true strike on for giggles and there is not much I can't hit in full plate. ( Sigh.... now if only true strike could be extended........)

robertthebard · 03-11-2008, 02:42 AM

Yeah yeah, but I had my druid archer to 100 ab last night...

toot033 · 03-11-2008, 10:20 AM

How did you do that feat?

robertthebard · 03-13-2008, 07:52 PM

Simple, really, base ab is 72, +8 with Helm's book, and True Strike.

02-24-2008, 11:14 AM	#11
Mozenwrathe Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 31, 2005 Location: Mississauga (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Age: 48 Posts: 1,214	Re: The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) Turns out the strength route doesn't really work. I know this because at twenty five levels thus far, my character with a +8 bow and a lot of magical items is sitting with at +36 AB. With the Ball of Deathattacks from Level Fifteen (+13 handheld weapon).... sitting with +49. So it seems I have to stay with the dexterity route, but I do so want to see what happens when this one is finished with Devestating Critical as part of the package. __________________ There are no paths to power which are not fraught with confrontation. No matter the battle, a lesson must be won. In the end, the path shall fade into nothingness for the one walking it, but may go on for eternity for those whom choose to follow. One must know their own footsteps before taking that first step, or instead of choosing your battles, your battles will choose you.

03-02-2008, 09:09 AM	#13
Mozenwrathe Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 31, 2005 Location: Mississauga (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Age: 48 Posts: 1,214	Re: The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) something else bad happened... it seems that the Epic Prowess did not show up when I created this build using the longbow. I am very saddened by this fact. Maybe it has something to do with it being a longbow (ranged) instead of a close up weapon. Regardless, I have to write this character down as a failure with the bow for the time being. At least she seems to be strong enough to wail away on her foes with a sword in the later levels. Though I have to admit, taking her through Levels One through Six as well as the Trollbark and the Tradeways shall be interesting - not to mention all those nasty, icky creatures in the Waterdeep Sewer System. I think it's time I visited The Metal Mage's Realm and spend a few million on arrows down there... I replaced the Epic Prowess with something else... Great Dexterity I. This was in the hopes of getting Great Dexterity II somehow for the last little bit... ..and I managed to snag Great Dexterity II to increase the bow's accuracy slightly. as well, instead of the final Favoured Enemy, I took Epic Toughness for an additional 20 HP. maybe I should have gone with two more Great Strengths (V and VI), but such is. The character is technically a "failure" for the lower levels of the Undermountain, but is great support for other characters AND now has scroll capability. With light enough armor, I even get free dual wielding - fun with those Sahaugin Longswords... __________________ There are no paths to power which are not fraught with confrontation. No matter the battle, a lesson must be won. In the end, the path shall fade into nothingness for the one walking it, but may go on for eternity for those whom choose to follow. One must know their own footsteps before taking that first step, or instead of choosing your battles, your battles will choose you. Last edited by Mozenwrathe; 03-02-2008 at 12:15 PM.

03-02-2008, 12:30 PM	#14
Garnet FalconDance Mephistopheles Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: deep within the sylvan splendor.... Age: 60 Posts: 1,443	Re: The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) Moz, sweetie, Dexterity is the attribute used for prowess with ranged weaponry - which includes the bow, of course --- unless you're a dwarven archer, in which case you are as likely to use your unstrung bow stave in lieu of a quarterstaff as not, in which case Strength might be more usefull . __________________ "Nature tells every secret once." Ralph Waldo Emerson

03-07-2008, 11:32 AM	#15
toot033 Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 13, 2006 Location: The Redneck Riviera Age: 56 Posts: 892	Re: The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) "Moz, sweetie, Dexterity is the attribute used for prowess with ranged weaponry" - There is a loop hole to this. Prowess works if you use zen archery. My 14 cleric/1wiz/25 AA has a nice AB and prowess works ( I can really boost it with divine power/bless etc. ). base AB at lvl 40 - +66 ( w/ proving ground bow and assorted items to boost wisdom) w/ bless - +67 w/ bless/ divine favor ( extended) +75 w/ bless/divine favor( extended) / battletide ( extended) +77 throw true strike on for giggles and there is not much I can't hit in full plate. ( Sigh.... now if only true strike could be extended........) __________________ 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan Last edited by toot033; 03-07-2008 at 11:34 AM.

03-11-2008, 02:42 AM	#16
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 4,537	Re: The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) Yeah yeah, but I had my druid archer to 100 ab last night... __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Good Music: Here. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

03-11-2008, 10:20 AM	#17
toot033 Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 13, 2006 Location: The Redneck Riviera Age: 56 Posts: 892	Re: The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) How did you do that feat? __________________ 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan

03-13-2008, 07:52 PM	#18
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 60 Posts: 4,537	Re: The Math Don't Add Up (part 2) Simple, really, base ab is 72, +8 with Helm's book, and True Strike. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Good Music: Here. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

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