Ranger vs. Fighter

SpongeLikeCow · 03-06-2005, 01:45 PM

Ok, the ranger has an extra attack if not using a shield, which means they start with 2.5 attacks per round. The fighter starts with 1.5 attacks per round, and I dont remember how many they end up with.

My question is will a ranger get more attacks per round as they level up, keeping up with a fighter who has ***** in his weapon? If so I see no reason to use a single class fighter, cause the ranger has a significant advantage in the early game, not to mention the spells later.

The manual states that the ranger only gets the bonus attack from 1h swords, which is incorrect. I just made a ranger with great sword and axe and he gets the 2.5 with both. Am I missing anything?

Dundee Slaytern · 03-06-2005, 09:52 PM

Rangers get a bonus ApR when using a single-handed melee weapon without a shield.

Warriors get an additional 0.5 ApR at level 7 and level 13.

Warriors get an additional 0.5 ApR at Specialisation, and a further 0.5 ApR at Grandmastery.

Ergo, by level 13, the Ranger can have 3.5 ApR, while the Fighter has 3 ApR.

The Fighter however... has a shield.

Both have their pros and cons, and ApR is not the end all be all deciding factor.

Besides, the Paladin will kick both their butts. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

SpongeLikeCow · 03-07-2005, 02:35 AM

Forgot about shields. Duh. That evens things out.

Rangers get the extra attack with 2h weapons too, despite what the manual says. So a ranger is clearly better for swinging 2handers.

Dundee Slaytern · 03-07-2005, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpongeLikeCow:
Forgot about shields. Duh. That evens things out.

Rangers get the extra attack with 2h weapons too, despite what the manual says. So a ranger is clearly better for swinging 2handers.

Why would you want to forget about shields? That would be delibrately discriminating against the Fighter.

ister · 03-07-2005, 06:42 AM

The ***** also increases damage and THAC0 a fair amount, and a ranger doesn't get that. The fighter also levels faster than the ranger.

Overall I think the fighter is better, but both have advantages,

pritchke · 03-07-2005, 10:50 AM

Usually The fighter will be more meatier as well more, HPs. But both classes have there advantages and disadvantages. The fighter does make for a more solid tank.

[ 03-07-2005, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

Dundee Slaytern · 03-07-2005, 11:04 AM

Fighter:

Levels up faster, but this is only a starting advantage. Both the Fighter and the Ranger will cap at level 30.
Deals more damage per hit
Can obtain better THAC0

Ranger:

Can potentially deal more damage per round, but at the expense of using a shield. At lower difficulties, this may be a neglible concern, but at higher difficulties, it will become a liability. I say to heck with the additional ApR and slap on a shield.
Can cast some Druidic spells.
Can Stealth, but at the expense of armour. You might as well use an Invisibility spell.
Can use some Ranger specific items.

~~~~ ~~~~

It may seem unlikely, but the Ranger will actually make a better tank eventually. Personal buffs from Druid spells is the key, not to mention access to special Ranger-only items.

Marty4 · 03-08-2005, 05:57 AM

Ranger all the way! the added defense of ranger only items (rogue's cowl comes to mind) acts like a shield for them, they attack faster, and there is one huge distinction that places them above fighters:

The MC cleric/ranger. All cleric spells, all druic spells, and all ranger pwnage.

Eugen · 03-08-2005, 07:09 AM

Is there any ranger only items in original IWD? I haven't seen any.
My friend has also said that he once found scimitar that is only usable with C/R.

Dundee Slaytern · 03-08-2005, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by Eugen:
Is there any ranger only items in original IWD? I haven't seen any.

Unfortunately, I have not played IWD without HoW for years, so I can't recall offhand.

Quote:

My friend has also said that he once found scimitar that is only usable with C/R.

Your friend is pulling your leg here.

03-07-2005, 06:42 AM	#5
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03-06-2005, 01:45 PM	#1
SpongeLikeCow Dungeon Master Join Date: May 23, 2004 Location: USA Age: 45 Posts: 63	Ok, the ranger has an extra attack if not using a shield, which means they start with 2.5 attacks per round. The fighter starts with 1.5 attacks per round, and I dont remember how many they end up with. My question is will a ranger get more attacks per round as they level up, keeping up with a fighter who has ***** in his weapon? If so I see no reason to use a single class fighter, cause the ranger has a significant advantage in the early game, not to mention the spells later. The manual states that the ranger only gets the bonus attack from 1h swords, which is incorrect. I just made a ranger with great sword and axe and he gets the 2.5 with both. Am I missing anything?

03-06-2005, 09:52 PM	#2
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Rangers get a bonus ApR when using a single-handed melee weapon without a shield. Warriors get an additional 0.5 ApR at level 7 and level 13. Warriors get an additional 0.5 ApR at Specialisation, and a further 0.5 ApR at Grandmastery. Ergo, by level 13, the Ranger can have 3.5 ApR, while the Fighter has 3 ApR. The Fighter however... has a shield. Both have their pros and cons, and ApR is not the end all be all deciding factor. Besides, the Paladin will kick both their butts. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

03-07-2005, 02:35 AM	#3
SpongeLikeCow Dungeon Master Join Date: May 23, 2004 Location: USA Age: 45 Posts: 63	Forgot about shields. Duh. That evens things out. Rangers get the extra attack with 2h weapons too, despite what the manual says. So a ranger is clearly better for swinging 2handers.

03-07-2005, 10:50 AM	#6
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 49 Posts: 3,491	Usually The fighter will be more meatier as well more, HPs. But both classes have there advantages and disadvantages. The fighter does make for a more solid tank. [ 03-07-2005, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

03-07-2005, 11:04 AM	#7
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Fighter: Levels up faster, but this is only a starting advantage. Both the Fighter and the Ranger will cap at level 30. Deals more damage per hit Can obtain better THAC0 Ranger: Can potentially deal more damage per round, but at the expense of using a shield. At lower difficulties, this may be a neglible concern, but at higher difficulties, it will become a liability. I say to heck with the additional ApR and slap on a shield. Can cast some Druidic spells. Can Stealth, but at the expense of armour. You might as well use an Invisibility spell. Can use some Ranger specific items. ~~~~ ~~~~ It may seem unlikely, but the Ranger will actually make a better tank eventually. Personal buffs from Druid spells is the key, not to mention access to special Ranger-only items.

03-08-2005, 05:57 AM	#8
Marty4 Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 31, 2004 Location: VA Age: 33 Posts: 1,127	Ranger all the way! the added defense of ranger only items (rogue's cowl comes to mind) acts like a shield for them, they attack faster, and there is one huge distinction that places them above fighters: The MC cleric/ranger. All cleric spells, all druic spells, and all ranger pwnage.

03-08-2005, 07:09 AM	#9
Eugen Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 31, 2005 Location: Finland Age: 34 Posts: 14	Is there any ranger only items in original IWD? I haven't seen any. My friend has also said that he once found scimitar that is only usable with C/R.

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