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Old 08-24-2004, 08:40 PM   #1
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MOSCOW (AP) - A Russian airliner crashed south of Moscow, and controllers lost contact with a second passenger jet at about the same time after both took off from Moscow, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported Wednesday. There was no word on survivors.

Witnesses reported seeing an explosion before the plane crashed about 125 miles south of Moscow, and authorities were not ruling out terrorism, the agency said.

The Interfax news agency said emergency workers spotted a fire about 600 miles south of Moscow in the region where the second plane went missing.

President Vladimir Putin has ordered the Federal Security Service to investigate, Russian news agencies reported. The service is the successor to the Soviet-era KGB.

A Tu-134 airliner that apparently had 42 people aboard crashed in the Tula region, 125 miles south of Moscow, at about 10:56 p.m. Tuesday, ITAR-Tass reported, citing the Emergency Situations Ministry.

Rescuers found the jet's tail near the village of Buchalki, Interfax reported.

A Tu-154 with 46 people aboard lost contact with flight officials at about the same time near Rostov-on-Don, about 600 miles south of Moscow, ITAR-Tass quoted Emergency Situations Ministry spokeswoman Marina Ryklina as saying. The jet belonged to the Russian airline Sibir, which said the plane disappeared from radar screens at about 11 p.m. Tuesday, Interfax reported. There were 38 passengers and a crew of eight aboard.

The Interfax news agency later said emergency workers were headed to the region to see if the fire was from a crash.

Earlier, ITAR-Tass reported that emergency officials said the second plane crashed.

Quoting an unnamed air traffic official in Moscow, where both planes originated, ITAR-Tass said authorities were not ruling out terrorism. The agency also reported that witnesses said they saw an explosion before the Tula region crash.

The plane that crashed near Tula was headed to the southern city of Volgograd, while the plane that disappeared was flying to the Black Sea resort city of Sochi, where President Vladimir Putin is vacationing, ITAR-Tass reported.

When Russia's U.N. Ambassador Andrey Denisov was told of the initial report of two near simultaneous crashes, he said, "Now we have to see if there's terrorism."

In Washington, a senior U.S. State Department official said, "We are obviously concerned by the news. We're following developments closely and trying to determine the facts."

The U.S. Homeland Security Department was monitoring the situation but was not implementing any additional security measures in the United States, spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said.

The crash comes only days before Sunday's presidential election in the breakaway republic of Chechnya. Pro-Russian President Akhmad Kadyrov was killed by a bombing in May.

A series of deadly explosions in recent years has claimed hundreds of lives in blasts that have been blamed mostly on Chechen separatist rebels.

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Old 08-24-2004, 10:08 PM   #2
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Those poor people on board.... what a way to go...
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Old 08-24-2004, 10:31 PM   #3
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Man, that sucks! I wonder what was the actual cause?
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Old 08-24-2004, 11:23 PM   #4
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I don't know, but it seems VERY fishy that within minutes apart, 2 crashed. Its so sad. I will keep an eye on the story and post updates. So far, they think 84 people are dead.
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Old 08-24-2004, 11:49 PM   #5
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Shit... CNN has a breaking news alert:

BREAKING NEWS Russian news agency Interfax reports airliner sent "hijack" alert before disappearing from radar and crashing. Details soon.

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Old 08-24-2004, 11:51 PM   #6
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Wow, this is getting stranger, and more familiar at the same time. Very troubling....
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Old 08-24-2004, 11:53 PM   #7
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Yes, it is. I always worried about Russian Air Security (as well as Egypt Air). Well, sad to say that NOW they will tighten Security. It's extremely sad that something has to happen like this to force changes in security.
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Old 08-25-2004, 09:19 AM   #8
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It's extremely sad that something has to happen like this to force changes in security.
I agree, why couldnt they have spent a few extra bucks and save heaps of lives, you would think that with all that has happened in the past that most airports would have high security...
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Old 08-25-2004, 09:45 AM   #9
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Flight Data Recorders Found of 2 Crashed Planes in Russia
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OSCOW, Aug. 25 — Investigators picked through the scattered wreckage today of two Russian passenger jets that crashed nearly simultaneously Tuesday night after leaving Moscow, and reported that they had found flight data recorders for both flights, officials said.

At least 89 people died in the crashes, according to the latest tally provided by Domodedovo International Airport, from where both planes took off late Tuesday.

As airport security was tightened throughout Russia, it remained unclear whether the crashes were an awful coincidence — a case of two jetliners leaving the same airfield and suffering catastrophic mishaps only minutes apart — or a carefully coordinated terrorist act that originated in Moscow's most modern airport. Russian officials emphasized that the causes for the crashes had not been found, and urged patience and calm.

"The experts are working," Dmitri Peskov, a spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin, said in a telephone interview. "They are in the field. But it is a little bit early to be clear of the cause of this great tragedy."

Earlier in the day the Russian news service Interfax, citing an anonymous official, reported that minutes after the first plane went down, the second jet issued a distress signal indicating it had been hijacked. Then it, too, disappeared from radar.

Mr. Peskov said he was aware of the report, and that it was being investigated. "It is part of the job of the experts," he said, but neither dismissed nor endorsed the account. "There is no necessity now for speculation," he said.

Mr. Putin, who has been vacationing and working in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, and had ordered the F.S.B., one of the successor agencies to the K.G.B., to investigate the crashes, did not publicly discuss them today.

He was expected to meet Russia's transportation minister later in the day, and to make a statement after the meeting. The transportation minister is leading a state commission looking into the crashes.

Wreckage of the first plane, Volga AviaExpress Flight 1303, a Tupolev-134 en route to Volgograd, was found in the Tula region near the village of Kulchaki, about 100 miles south of Moscow, after disappearing from the radar at about 10:56 p.m.

The Domodedovo airport press service said the plane carried 35 passengers and a crew of 8; an official at the scene said the plane carried a crew of 9. Interfax reported that the plane was flown by the airline's general director, whom the company described as an experienced pilot.

Witnesses told authorities that the plane exploded before it crashed. The chief of the region's Ministry of Emergency Situations, Gennady Skachkov, told the RTR television news channel that there had been no distress signals or indications of trouble from the crew before the plane went down.

The second aircraft, Sibir Airlines Flight 1047, a Tupolev-154 bound for Sochi, disappeared from the radar over the Rostov-on-Don region, about 500 miles south of Moscow near Russia's border with Ukraine, minutes after the first jet crashed.

The Sibir Airlines flight carried 38 passengers and 8 crew members, according to the airport press service.

Sibir Airlines said it had little insight into the crash, and knew only that the flight had suddenly gone missing. "Flight 1047 disappeared from the radar of air traffic controllers at around 23:00," Yevgeny Selyanin, a spokesman for the airline, said in a telephone interview.

Both planes left in clear weather from the Domodedovo, which has only one terminal for domestic flights — circumstances that suggested the possibility of terrorism.

Sergei Ignatchenko, a spokesman for the F.S.B., said on NTV television that several theories were being explored, including pilot error, bad weather along the flight routes, low-quality fuel or terrorist acts. A spokesman for Domodedovo International Airport said all proper preflight procedures had been followed.

Russia has been engaged in a protracted war with its breakaway republic of Chechnya, from where terrorists have carried out several high-profile terrorist attacks in recent years. Shamil Basayev, a prominent rebel commander who is considered a terrorist by both Moscow and Washington, recently threatened more attacks.

A special election is scheduled for this weekend to replace the former Chechen president, Akhmad Kadyrov, who was assassinated in the spring. Chechen rebels, who tried and nearly succeeded in killing the interim president a few weeks ago, have vowed to assassinate whoever wins the election.

When Russia's ambassador to the United Nations, Andrey Denisov, was told of the initial report of the crashes, he said, "Now we have to see if there's terrorism," The Associated Press reported.

In Washington, a senior State Department official said the circumstances surrounding the crashes were being closely watched. "We are obviously concerned by the news," the official said. "We're following developments closely and trying to determine the facts."

In Moscow, the American Embassy said it had no reports of American citizens on either flight, but had not yet been able to confirm the information. A spokesman for Domodedovo airport told Interfax that a review of passenger lists found no foreign citizens on either plane.

The airport was open and functioning normally today, and providing emergency psychological services to relatives of victims, an airport official said in a telephone interview.

Tupolevs are the backbone of the Russian domestic passenger fleet, and have been in service for more than three decades. The Tupolev-134, used on shorter routes, can carry more than 90 passengers, depending on its configuration; the Tupolev-154 is a medium-range jet that can carry more than 160 passengers.
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Old 08-25-2004, 12:19 PM   #10
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I just read it in the newspaper this morning, looks bad... 90 people dead, wow. It really does look suspicious.
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