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Old 06-10-2003, 05:42 AM   #31
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I try not to have any heroes.
people all have feet of clay111!!!!!
And yet do these people ever make mistakes?
Do they ever say things they wish they hadn’t et al?

Of course they do.
Noone is perfect. Noone.
(except for... Henry Kissenger, PERFECT EVIL!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA)
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We must be having a language dificulty...you seem to have uniqe definitions for things like "feet of clay" and the word "Hero"

Let me help ya out here...

Hero:
Main Entry: he·ro
Pronunciation: 'hir-(")O, 'hE-(")rO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural heroes
Etymology: Latin heros, from Greek hErOs
Date: 14th century
1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement
3 plural usually heros : SUBMARINE 2
4 : an object of extreme admiration and devotion :


See nothing in there about perfect.


Main Entry: feet of clay
Etymology: from the feet of the idol in Daniel 2:33
Date: 1814
: a flaw of character that is usually not readily apparent


So I see the disconnect here is that you do not define "Hero" the way most people do. I will also note that a Biblical quote coming from a socialist is kind of Ironic
[/QB][/QUOTE]Firstly, Who said that Christians couldn’t be socialists? I’m surprised at such intolerance, even from you.

I believe there is an organisation here called the Christian socialist movement, who have seen that the teachings of Christ are only really compatible with the socialist political system.
(For example Jesus said that you had to redistribute wealth, rich people wouldn’t get into heaven, turn the other cheek et al)
Indeed Jesus, according to the bible, was more socialist than anyone else ever.

Secondly, did you know that conservatives (in this country at least) are in favour of cutting the real wages of fire fighters?

Thirdly, Cults of personality are damaging and wrong.
Would you make one, or make a fetish (in an ideological sense, not the other sense) out the emergency services?
 
Old 06-10-2003, 09:06 AM   #32
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Firstly, Who said that Christians couldn’t be socialists? I’m surprised at such intolerance, even from you.


Even from me...wow, guess thats an insult. As for ignorance, I would hardly call an theory based on observed conditions to be ignorant..."MOST" of the socialists that I know of, have professed to be either, agnostic, atheist or other than christian. You yourself in another name have derided christianity and religion...so pardon me for holding you to your own assertions.


I believe there is an organisation here called the Christian socialist movement, who have seen that the teachings of Christ are only really compatible with the socialist political system.
(For example Jesus said that you had to redistribute wealth, rich people wouldn’t get into heaven, turn the other cheek et al)
Indeed Jesus, according to the bible, was more socialist than anyone else ever.


I want you to give me chapter and verse where he said you have to be socialist. Promoting charity and giving does not make you a socialist. As for the rich [img]smile.gif[/img] well I won't bother debating with you because I just remembered ..... see below


Secondly, did you know that conservatives (in this country at least) are in favour of cutting the real wages of fire fighters?

Thirdly, Cults of personality are damaging and wrong.
Would you make one, or make a fetish (in an ideological sense, not the other sense) out the emergency services?

Ya know it has been so very long since you have posted I almost forgot my own rule...Im not gonna bother trying to discuss this with you. Enjoy your day and reconcile Che Guevera with a christian philosophy [img]smile.gif[/img] I don't think they are compatible [img]smile.gif[/img]
 
Old 06-10-2003, 10:15 AM   #33
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Originally posted by Eisenschwarz:
Firstly, Who said that Christians couldn’t be socialists? I’m surprised at such intolerance, even from you.


Even from me...wow, guess thats an insult. As for ignorance, I would hardly call an theory based on observed conditions to be ignorant..."MOST" of the socialists that I know of, have professed to be either, agnostic, atheist or other than christian. You yourself in another name have derided christianity and religion...so pardon me for holding you to your own assertions.


I believe there is an organisation here called the Christian socialist movement, who have seen that the teachings of Christ are only really compatible with the socialist political system.
(For example Jesus said that you had to redistribute wealth, rich people wouldn’t get into heaven, turn the other cheek et al)
Indeed Jesus, according to the bible, was more socialist than anyone else ever.


I want you to give me chapter and verse where he said you have to be socialist. Promoting charity and giving does not make you a socialist. As for the rich [img]smile.gif[/img] well I won't bother debating with you because I just remembered ..... see below


Secondly, did you know that conservatives (in this country at least) are in favour of cutting the real wages of fire fighters?

Thirdly, Cults of personality are damaging and wrong.
Would you make one, or make a fetish (in an ideological sense, not the other sense) out the emergency services?

Ya know it has been so very long since you have posted I almost forgot my own rule...Im not gonna bother trying to discuss this with you. Enjoy your day and reconcile Che Guevera with a christian philosophy [img]smile.gif[/img] I don't think they are compatible [img]smile.gif[/img]
[/QUOTE]Now, much as I hate coming into a spat between IW's bookends I can't see where the word ignorance was used.

And correct me if I'm wong but wasn't the Pledge of Allegiance written by a methodist preacher who was a Christian Socialist?
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Old 06-10-2003, 11:01 AM   #34
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Now, much as I hate coming into a spat between IW's bookends I can't see where the word ignorance was used.


MY bad, ment to write intollerant got distracted and time lapse expired...work does interfere from time to time [img]smile.gif[/img]


And correct me if I'm wong but wasn't the Pledge of Allegiance written by a methodist preacher who was a Christian Socialist?


Hell if I know, I never met the man andnever discussed it with him..I said the ones I know...as in have met, talked to and exchanged messages here on this very board with [img]smile.gif[/img] I never claimed to speak about, of or for ALL socialists...just a very specific sub-catagory of them.
 
Old 06-10-2003, 11:05 AM   #35
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