What is your view on China?

Originally posted by Horatio: LOL Moni, when I was in Vietnamn, I was in a TINY village for around 3 days. THe only electricity there was were the lights in the very small motel where I stayed. When I had to walk half a mile down a long stretch of road to buy some shopping, there was a little girl of around 9-11 who used to follow me there and back. She loved to talk also, and though I could understand jack of what she said, it was nice. [img]smile.gif[/img] There will always be people who hate whites, just as there will always be people who hate blacks. There's no point in falling for this "We'll make the world a better place" crap, cos no matter how many people you talk round/pay off/administer a good kicking to, you can't be everywhere at once, so racism will emerge when you're not. It's one of those facts that pains me to post, but hey, it's true guys.

Get some warn fuzzies there, Horatio? [img]smile.gif[/img] (I just love those!)

It is a sad fact that there has to be racism.
I just think its ignorant in the sense that I have to be hated by the Native Americans (for example) for what my Irish ancestors did to native tribes when I am part Apache...once I get a good tan going (and you can tell I am an Apache), I am all their friend though. Its just stupid (if I may be so blunt).

I can't grasp the mentality it takes to hate other people for their race or the color of their skin. I guess if I did, I'd have to hate myself lol.

[K T Ong]

About hating someone for his skin color: I agree with Moni and others that it can never be justified, but I think at least in some cases it's understandable. When people of a different race once aggressed on your race before, your gut feelings of that race can't possibly be a hundred percent positive -- even though intellectually you can remind yourself that it's foolish to make negative generalisations about every member of that race.

Originally posted by MagiK: Ok I got lost there and confused myself. I offically recant and now say "China is a paradise and all people who wish to work for the betterment of humanity should quickly emmigrate there as fast as is humanly possible." [img]smile.gif[/img]

That's flattering to a Chinese, but not all that true either.

Originally posted by Zed the undead4321: china is a perfect example of how comunism does work

Fully agree! Though it's a qualified and somewhat more moderate communism...

[ 09-02-2002, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

Originally posted by Moni: Literally dozens? Wow. I know about 9 not including myself...people I grew up with, some friends from Oregon, and a couple of family members. But then you were (are?) in the military...you are likely to cross paths with more military folk than I am lol.

When you belong to a group of people (about 1000 or so) who do a specific job and only have roughly 20 possible duty stations you tend to run into them alot, especially when they have to change bases every 2 or 3 years [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by K T Ong: About hating someone for his skin color: I agree with Moni and others that it can never be justified, but I think at least in some cases it's understandable. When people of a different race once aggressed on your race before, your gut feelings of that race can't possibly be a hundred percent positive -- even though intellectually you can remind yourself that it's foolish to make negative generalisations about every member of that race. Do you mean to say for example, that it would be reasonable say...if you own a store, and are robbed 100 times and out of those 100 robberies it is done by someone wearing a red shirt 90 times....it would be reasonable say to fear, hate or dislike people wearing red shirts? quote: Originally posted by Zed the undead4321: china is a perfect example of how comunism does work

Fully agree! Though it's a qualified and somewhat more moderate communism...

Well in my opinion, it hasn't shown that communism works at all, the quality of life for the average individual is somewhat lacking if news reports and other sources of information are to be believed. It does appear to me that where China seems to be making inroads and advancing is where they are adapting capitalism to their own needs.

[/QUOTE]Im amazed, no one even mentioned Bruce Lee [img]smile.gif[/img] (there's a special on him on the tube right now [img]smile.gif[/img] ) He believed in the brotherhood of all races....quite a remarkable man.

[ 09-02-2002, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by MagiK: Do you mean to say for example, that it would be reasonable say...if you own a store, and are robbed 100 times and out of those 100 robberies it is done by someone wearing a red shirt 90 times....it would be reasonable say to fear, hate or dislike people wearing red shirts?

I thought K T Ong was pretty clear with his first response:
"When people of a different race once aggressed on your race before, your gut feelings of that race can't possibly be a hundred percent positive -- even though intellectually you can remind yourself that it's foolish to make negative generalisations about every member of that race."

If 90 out of 100 times "my store" was robbed by someone wearing a red shirt, it would only be natural to be a little paranoid of every red shirt that came through the door.
It is a completely different matter though when the subject concerns complete nations being obliterated by another race and others being brought to the edge of extinction, saving themselves only by submitting to the more hostile race.
It has nothing to do with owning a store and being robbed. it the fact that (some) Native Americans (for example) resent white people no matter what their individual background because of what was done to their tribe and neighboring tribes over 200 years ago.
I just finished watching Dances With Wolves for the umpteenth time. It never ceases to amaze me the changes that have taken place within the boundaries of this country in so little time. The resentment is understandable but at the same time, foolish, seeing as how the original oppressors have long since died.
If only it had been left alone.

[ 09-02-2002, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Moni ]

[K T Ong]

Originally posted by MagiK: Do you mean to say for example, that it would be reasonable say...if you own a store, and are robbed 100 times and out of those 100 robberies it is done by someone wearing a red shirt 90 times....it would be reasonable say to fear, hate or dislike people wearing red shirts?

It would be understandable, wouldn't it? Though it would be rationally unjustifiable -- unless in the very first place you were the one who discriminated against people who wear red...

Well in my opinion, it hasn't shown that communism works at all, the quality of life for the average individual is somewhat lacking if news reports and other sources of information are to be believed. It does appear to me that where China seems to be making inroads and advancing is where they are adapting capitalism to their own needs.

Depends on how you define 'quality of life', I suppose. The little village Horatio visited had little electricity, so presumably the 'quality of life' there would have been atrocious. Since Horatio found it lovely, either he was a sadist who enjoyed watching people suffer under a 'quality of life' that was atrocious, or the people there led normal, happy lives even without electricity and he was happy to see that. I'll assume it's the latter. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Some people are happy in China, some aren't. Same with America, Singapore etc.

As for communism, I think it's grossly unfair to generalise along such lines as: "If it doesn't work, it's communist, whereas if it works, it's capitalist." Communism is not without certain good points -- and neither is capitalism without problems. But I think they're both ultimately limited -- they're both materialist philosophies.

Im amazed, no one even mentioned Bruce Lee [img]smile.gif[/img] (there's a special on him on the tube right now [img]smile.gif[/img] ) He believed in the brotherhood of all races....quite a remarkable man.

Someone already did! (Hunter of Jahanna, 18th post, first page of this thread.)

[ 09-02-2002, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: K T Ong ]

Originally posted by K T Ong: quote: Well in my opinion, it hasn't shown that communism works at all, the quality of life for the average individual is somewhat lacking if news reports and other sources of information are to be believed. It does appear to me that where China seems to be making inroads and advancing is where they are adapting capitalism to their own needs.

Depends on how you define 'quality of life', I suppose. The little village Horatio visited had little electricity, so presumably the 'quality of life' there would have been atrocious. Since Horatio found it lovely, either he was a sadist who enjoyed watching people suffer under a 'quality of life' that was atrocious, or the people there led normal, happy lives even without electricity and he was happy to see that. I'll assume it's the latter. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hmmm when I say quality of life I just assumed everyone just "knows" that I mean health, the ability to speak your mind without fear for your life (though certain non-christians may still have that problem in some parts of the countrys) The ability to be self determinant to do what you love and not to be told what you will do. I did some thinking and realized since I have not been to china and only read about others visits to china I really should not even comment on it as it really isn't very reliable information Im basing my opinion on. Electricity can improve the quality of life but it isnt necessary to be happy...hence so many people in this country go hiking where there is none. Also I mixed in my post socialism and communism...they are different and I ascribed a socialist value to communism which also inst fair.

Some people are happy in China, some aren't. Same with America, Singapore etc.

Exactamundo! Altho I do wonder aobut the reletive numbers of happy vs not happy in each country...I think it would be really interesting...but I haveno ideas how you could gather that kind of subjective information.

As for communism, I think it's grossly unfair to generalise along such lines as: "If it doesn't work, it's communist, whereas if it works, it's capitalist." Communism is not without certain good points -- and neither is capitalism without problems. But I think they're both ultimately limited -- they're both materialist philosophies.

Yes materialist philosophies [img]smile.gif[/img] but "Real" life is in the MATERIAL world. Ignore it to your detriment. Philosophy has its place, but isnot the be all and end all.

Im amazed, no one even mentioned Bruce Lee [img]smile.gif[/img] (there's a special on him on the tube right now [img]smile.gif[/img] ) He believed in the brotherhood of all races....quite a remarkable man.

Someone already did! (Hunter of Jahanna, 18th post, first page of this thread.)[/QUOTE]I should have know he would mention Bruce [img]smile.gif[/img] Anyone know what his real Chinese name was? (some how Bruce sounds to scottish to me [img]smile.gif[/img] )

Do you know why China is blocking access to google.com for residents? It is one of the best search engines, and I was just told that it is being blocked by the chinese government for some reason.