Who watches execution videos?

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Source: BBC (link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3733996.stm )

There are a lot of comments on the end so it is a long read, although some of the comments have pretty valid points.


Footage of Ken Bigley's murder is widely available on the internet, along with that of other hostages killed in Iraq. Who is watching the videos and why?

It was a short video released to Arab TV and posted on a radical website which confirmed the worst for Ken Bigley's family on Friday - he had become the latest hostage to be killed in Iraq.

But as the 62-year-old Briton's brother Paul told journalists that he would never watch the footage of the murder himself, it quickly became freely available on the internet to anyone who cared to look.

It is not only the harrowing scenes of Mr Bigley's final moments that have been posted on the web. Scores of sites also offer footage of the deaths of other hostages, including Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley, the Americans kidnapped with Mr Bigley and executed first.

Asked to watch the five minute video showing Mr Bigley's death as part of his work, Reuters cameraman Maher Nazih said "it was awful". So why would others freely chose to see the images?

Curiosity

One viewer, who asked not to be named, says he watches the footage mostly out of curiosity.

"You almost can't believe that a group of people could be so pitiless as to carry out something so cruel and bestial, and you need to have it confirmed," he says.

"Watching them evokes a mixture of emotions - mainly distress at the obvious fear and suffering of the victim, but also revulsion at the gore, and anger against the perpetrators."

For many such casual viewers, the footage is found on sites which appear to host the images as a form of macabre entertainment.

Some carry the videos alongside that of other, entirely unrelated murder victims and "bizarre" deaths.

Warnings

Other sites claim a higher purpose in showing the videos, arguing that to understand the world you need to know what is going on.

One organisation in the US, for example, says it shows the videos because it is dedicated to the fight against terrorism.

Introducing the footage of Mr Bigley's death it warns that it is "violent and horrific", that it is not suitable for children and will be disturbing for many adults.

But it continues: "In accordance with our policy that the American people need to know the tactics of our enemy, we are making the video available."

'Vile and vicious'

Douglas Hagmann, the director of the organisation, says it decided to go ahead because the media was sanitising the issue.

"All too frequently, we hear the mainstream news talk about a hostage being 'beheaded' by 'militants', 'insurgents' or other innocuous sounding descriptive terms," he says.

"It is my belief that the majority of the people in the US and the UK do not know how vile and vicious these people are, and how horrific these acts are, especially when they are described in such mild terms.

"These are acts of pure evil and savagery that must not be minimised by such references in the press."

'Vicious nature'

Whatever the purpose of the sites, demand to see the images appears to be high.

Mr Hagmann reports that the videos have been downloaded from his site on more than one million occasions, with most of the visitors apparently coming from the US, Canada and the UK.

He also says he has received more than 3,000 e-mails from people who have seen them.

"About 95% of these e-mails have been positive in nature, in response to us showing the vicious nature of the enemy we face," he reports.

But why do people watch them when they know it will be gruesome?

Dr Guy Cumberbatch, a chartered psychologist and expert in media violence, says the desire to watch the videos is similar to that which makes people watch horror videos.

"A lot of it's to do with the taboo of seeing stuff we're not supposed to," he says.

People are motivated by curiosity about the human body, just as they are when they drive past the scene of a car crash. The response is a normal one and not reprehensible, he suggests.

"The police have always been wrong to talk of the ghouls that go to watch, but it's more of a feeling of 'there, but for the grace of God, go I."

A desire to see such things is a "fairly healthy, normal function" of many people, he says, and there's little evidence to suggest that seeing gruesome images desensitises people to death or suffering.

'Moral judgement'

Despite Mr Hagmann's arguments for making the footage available, many people believe it is in poor taste.

The UK-based Internet Watch Foundation, which monitors internet content, says it believes it could be illegal under the Obscene Publications Act if it was hosted by sites based in Britain.

A spokeswoman says: "We're aware of them, but we suspect 99% of them are hosted in the US. We would say it's pretty unlikely any ISP [internet service provider] in the UK would host that content."

Preventing sites outside the UK from carrying the videos is unlikely to happen, the IWF says. International agreement may exist on how to tackle sites showing child abuse images, but this is a very different case.

Whether or not to carry the images, or indeed look at them, remains "a moral judgement".

Add your comments on this story, using the form below.

I confess that I have watched a couple beheading videos. I had a couple reasons for doing so. First, the news footage we get from Iraq is so sanitized and bloodless, one might assume that nobody is actually getting hurt over there. Sure, they say on the news that twelve were killed here, five were killed there, but as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. I feel a responsibility as an American citizen to make an effort see the results of my country's foreign policy. I feel a need to get all the information I can so that as an informed citizen I can make responsible choices at the voting booth. The other reason why I watched the videos I did was that I was morbidly curious. I'm not proud of it, but I was. I'm a big fan of horror movies, so I figured I could take it. In truth, it was much worse than any horror movie if for no other reason than I knew it was real, a real human was being murdered.
Edward Hammerbeck, Louisville, Kentucky, US

I watched one of these videos out of curiosity. You hear time and time again on the news that someone has been beheaded. I couldn't believe that people can be so brutal so curiosity got the better of me, I wish it hadn't! I was close to being sick and the images are still clear in my head today, time & time again I think about what the poor man went through and how the family have to deal with knowing a loved one died in such a horrific way, it does get me upset. No words can describe the people that do such things!
Craig, Manchester

If viewing pornography (child or otherwise) is deemed as you "making" that image, because its downloaded onto your computer and then you can do as you please with the image, so isn't watching these videos seen in the same legal light. If torture and such like, are illegal in this country should it not be illegal to possess images/videos of torture? The war is officially over in Iraq, and these acts can't be acts of war - just acts of terror, barbarism, so should the possession of these videos not be illegal?
Jon, Deeside

I downloaded and watch the Bigley video, and so should everyone else. The press make the whole event to be clinical and explainable. It was not. Watching the video filled me with absolute repulsion at what men can do to each other. These were not freedom fighters on a religous crusade, but power hungry sadists, who released a video that shows exactly what they are. I only hope the relatives never see this video; but the public should.
Simon Naracott, London

I think a lot of it does have to do with curiosity. I haven't seen the videos, nor do I want to. However, I have in the past seen pictures of gruesome accidents/bodies on the net. I found them by accident (misleading Google search), then couldn't take my eyes away!
Sarah, Brussels, Belgium

I had no intention of seeing this inhumane act of murder. I did watch it firstly out of curiosity, and secondly because it was easily available. On this note - I didn't think I would actually see the graphic detail that I did. I advise people not to watch this. It is very distressing and I wish I hadn't now. But I know my comments will just make people more curious.
Sanjay Hunjan, Basingstoke

The justification put forth by many for watching these executions, such as "it is good to see what we are really up against", may have worked when viewing the execution video of the first hostage who was beheaded in Iraq. However, the point should have come across clear enough in this first viewing: any subsequent viewings of the murders of additional hostages will only be for entertainment's sake, and this is vile and disrespectful to a high degree.
Josh McInnis, Raleigh, NC United States

I have an active enough imagination as to what happened to these poor men, & do not need to have it on view. Someone I know watched one of the videos - out of curiosity - and described in detail what he saw. I did not want to hear it, & can not get rid of the awful images created in my head. The perpetrators are not stupid, they know how we will react, which is why they 'publicise' their barbaric actions.
Jane, Cheshire

By watching the executions all you are doing is feuling the terrorists and making them more popular - if no-one watched, there would be no more executions. You must be a very sorry excuse for a human being if you have to watch this.
Gail, South Africa

I have watched an American and Korean execution and feel that it is an important part of what is happening in the world. Although foul, we cannot shy away from real events happening to real people. It is just as important to watch the hostage takers in these videos and listen to what they say as most describe in great detail the reasons for the execution.
anon, anon

I regularly watch the execution videos on the Internet. I don't enjoy them. I watch them to get a glimpse of reality. I try to imagine myself in his position, to imagine his fear, so I can understand that killing is wrong. So tell me, why should we blame the people who watch execution videos, when we elect (and re-elect) those that drop bombs and kill thousands of people in more gruesome ways? The hypocrisy is obscene.
Adam, Yokohama, Japan

I would not wish to view Mr Bigley's execution video; firstly as a mark of respect to the torment and fate he has suffered, though secondly, intentionally watching such footage for entertainment is an immoral and sick act. However, it must be said, we are all curious. Few of us have witnessed a killing or a death (natural or not). What did curiousity do to the cat?
John Galantini, Southampton, United Kingdom

There is nothing, "fairly healthy or normal" about watching people suffer and die. Don't give me the excuse that you're curious and you want to come to a better understanding of how "horrible" these (and who are "these")people are. Don't even say that it helps you understand terrorism better. Go read a history book about the Salem witch trials, the camps in Germany, the Tower of London if you will - but don't excuse your own sick and violent tendencies by saying that it's something that needs to be watched to be understood. I'm just as frightened of the people who indulge in such things as I am the terrorists.
Chase, Gablesville, PA, US

[Melusine]

Interesting post, though I don't have time tonight to read all the articles. Personally I haven't seen any execution footage and in fact actively avoid having to watch it. Somehow I don't think it will increase my horror and sadness and empathy, even if it may repulse me even more than just hearing about the murders does. But to me personally (and I don't think everybody is like that so I understand people will disagree), watching these murders is sort of morbid, especially when done out of a sick kind of curiosity, and just not something you do. To me it has nothing to do with closing my eyes to the atrocities committed in the world, because I already worry about them more often than is healthy, I sometimes think.

[johnny]

I've seen some (and posted it here a while ago), and frankly, i think every one is one too many. I don't have to whitness this madness, knowing that it happens is bad enough. A buddy of mine once send me one of those so called snuff movies, i didn't know what to expect, and before i knew it i was watching a bunch of Chechnians cutting off a Russian soldier's head. Can't say i was amused with him that time.

[philip]

I don't watch them. Like one of the first was broadcasted by our journal and I still hate them for doing it. If people are broadcasting I feel it's more for sensation. Maybe I can understand you want to see it out of curiosity but still it feels like really wrong to me. I don't need to see a video to believe how f*cked up some people are. Neither do I have to look how somebody died in such a situation if I can help. And the journal broadcasted it like within times at which young kids can see it too.

[Stratos]

I've only seen the first one, the one johnny posted, and that's enough. The way it's described in the media does gives you an impression that they cut the head clean off with one swing, which is not the case.

I doubt the wisdom of showing all these videos myself, there's a risk it only polarizes more people against anything Arab or Muslim. al-Zarqawi, the likely perpetrator, is already hunted down like a dog and it doesn't change anything if a bunch of Westerners want to kill him personally.

[Timber Loftis]

I've seen some of them. I agree any is too many. But, snuff films are free all of a sudden, whereas they were formerly very difficult to obtain taboo items.

[Dirty Meg]

I've looked for the video, and I can't find it. I'm quite intrigued, in a sick way. I've never seen anyone die before.

EDIT
I just found a video, apparently of an American called Jack Hensley. F***. How can anyone do that to another person? I'm not usually particularly sensitive but I feel like I'm going to faint. I can't understand how anyone could do something like that.

[ 10-12-2004, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Dirty Meg ]

[Dirty Meg]

I think I can understand why people watch 'snuff' films and execution videos. I just watched an execution video and until now, I've never had such a strong emotional reaction to anything which wasn't happening to me. It can be exhilerating to feel something that powerful even if it is not, in a conventional sense, enjoyable.

[Oblivion437]

It's not just that. It's the same thing with slowing down to look at a car wreck.

It's revolting, terrifying, disgusting, but utterly, absolutely at the core of one's sense of mortality. You begin at that moment, and probably end soon after, to understand the fact that you yourself will die someday, and it will be unpleasant, and painful, and miserable, and the whole world will at best see you as a spectacle for a few passing seconds, as they then go on to finish their coffee or bring that bag of McDonald's sandwiches home for their children.

The world turns, the night is black, space is cold, and we are alone. The ink-blot has no meaning, save what we choose to impose upon it. All things in the end reduce to an atomic dust, and everything we have done, are doing or will do all come to be nothing. Memory is lost, and unlike in Aasimov's story, when all goes black, there is no computer to say, "Let there be light!" and no God to do the Computer's job in its stead. People begin to see light as creeping into the shadows, darkness as omnipresent, and all existence is attempts to shoot light into the dark. The sun is a small light-house in an endless sea of black, we're a ship circling that house, and in between us and it, is a lot of cold, a lot of empty, and more *nothing* than most humans, myself included, are capable of imagining. The universe is full of nothing, nothing in every direction, into infinity, and at the center is a little speck we call the sum-total matter and energy of existence.

Bleak? Very. However, such a thing as the Nick Berg killing is a grim affirmation of every such downbeat speculation of the infinite nothing at the heart of everything.

[Hivetyrant]

I have seen some pretty sick videos and was able to shrug and not really notice, but when I saw some peoples head being sawn off, I thought it was the worst thing I had ever seen. I would not wish a death like that on almost anyone.