The whole world! (of warcraft)

[Yorick]

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: Think of how D&D was at one time labelled "the devil" and how the fans reacted to it.

For completely different reasons and by different people.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Luvian: But D&D wasn't build on purpose to get you addicted. I don't think anyone can argue that mmorpgs were made in a way that the more time you play them, the more benefits you get. And that they did their best to have you keep playing as long as possible.

I agree. It's the difference between a movie and a TV serial. One is interested in telling a story. For the other, stretching out the story for as long as possibly is merely a device to keep you watching as long as possible.

"Heroes" was the most banally obvious show to do this, dragging the story out with excruciating slowness, just to keep us watching the next show. It means if you have them all on file, you need to watch them all ina row to experience any storyline. Unlike say Battlestar or other shows that have many shows that are isolated storylines in themselves.

Consequently Heroes is far more addictive, but is also I'd imagine, more loathed.

[ 01-07-2007, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: Think of how D&D was at one time labelled "the devil" and how the fans reacted to it.

For completely different reasons and by different people. [/QUOTE]I don't think you see my point. I wasn't pointing out the reasons (otherwise I would have gave them) and of course, the people are different.

[Yorick]

The loudest protestations against D&D were analogeous to protests against the popularisation of Oiuji boards and taro cards.

The protests against WoW and Everquest are that it is like crack cocain or alcohol.

Very different 'demons' so to speak.

[SpiritWarrior]

Yep, I know it too well. And that woman Pat and her "crusade" against D&D...you should see her site, it is sickening and so stupid that it's funny at the same time.

My intent was to have D&D as an example of how people incorrectly slap a label on something. I use D&D since many of us here are familiar with it and like it. I did not mean to say that people were calling MMO's satanic or anything. But we all recall the mothers of kids who committed suicide, that would call these games (like EQ) "evil" etc. While I think about it, satan I can understand to a point, but for them to asssociate D&D with tarot cards wouldn't even be a knock IMHO anyways. It's like saying Harry Potter is satanic (wait, they did that already *groan*).

But either ways, MMO's weren't even around back in the day when this whole uproar came to a head.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: Yep, I know it too well. And that woman Pat and her "crusade" against D&D...you should see her site, it is sickening and so stupid that it's funny at the same time. My intent was to have D&D as an example of how people incorrectly slap a label on something. I use D&D since many of us here are familiar with it and like it. I did not mean to say that people were calling MMO's satanic or anything. But we all recall the mothers of kids who committed suicide, that would call these games (like EQ) "evil" etc. While I think about it, satan I can understand to a point, but for them to asssociate D&D with tarot cards wouldn't even be a knock IMHO anyways. It's like saying Harry Potter is satanic (wait, they did that already *groan*). But either ways, MMO's weren't even around back in the day when this whole uproar came to a head.

Oh don't get me wrong. I think aspects of D&D is Satanic But then I think the US credit system is demonic as well. I think there's a lot of things the devil has his hands in. But it's up to us how much power we give him/it by what choices we make.

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Yorick: Oh don't get me wrong. I think aspects of D&D is Satanic

You think so? What aspects?

Edit: Actually never mind, this would probably turn the thread into a religious debate.

[ 01-08-2007, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Yorick: "Heroes" was the most banally obvious show to do this, dragging the story out with excruciating slowness, just to keep us watching the next show. It means if you have them all on file, you need to watch them all ina row to experience any storyline. Unlike say Battlestar or other shows that have many shows that are isolated storylines in themselves. Consequently Heroes is far more addictive, but is also I'd imagine, more loathed.

No, it's actually quite loved. Get some patience there, honey bunch. It was an awesome show, and I know you'll be there in front of it Jan. 21 when the new episodes start. And as for the complaint about watching them all in a row, they're all available for free on nbc.com, along with a rocking comic book.

It seems the complaint vis-a-vis WoW is that it's too fun. I've never heard a more retarded argument against a video game. If they didn't make it "addictive" we'd score it a 3/5 on GameSpy and call it trash.

I can't believe how many of you people, my supposed fellow gamers, the fellow geeks of the world... the "s-m-r-t" guys... are just stupid. It saddens me. I'm going to cry now.

[Yorick]

If you keep playing something when it's no longer fun, or keep watching something that's no longer fun, just because you're hooked and have to finish the next quest, or have to find out what happens to Joey, then it's addictive, and not "fun" (in my book).

My version of fun doesn't leave me feeling unsatisfied when I've spent 6 hours investing in it. Fun for me is not just during the moment itself, but how I feel in between those moments.

I'm playing WoW, but I won't start watching Heros again.

[Glycerine_74]

Originally posted by SecretMaster: You have some nerve to tell me how I should feel when you haven't been in this situation at all.

I merely stated my opinion and what I thought the problem was. If you have an issue with that, go read your own post again and pay special attention to the last part where you tell me it's your opinion and to just deal with it, etc.

It's absolutely wonderful for you to preach your 'all-knowing' ways, but let me tell you something. You know nothing about my life or my father or myself. Yorick asked for an opinion on the game and I gave it.

I don't need to know anything about you, your family, or your situation to see the problem. I understand that you are upset about your father's addiction, but trash-talking the game and blaming it all on Blizzard won't change anything. I know this because I went through the same thing with my dad in his EQ days. Have you ever had to tell a 7 year old that her grandpa isn't coming to her birthday party because he has to stay at home and do a guild raid? It's not fun, let me assure you. Was I pissed? Of course! Did I talk to him about it? No, and you want to know why? If he misses out on his granddaughters growing up, it's his own fault. If the game is more important to him, so be it. He's a grown man who's going to do what he wants, just like your dad. Me bitching and complaining to him about it solves nothing, and only served to anger me more and drive him further into his game. He eventually quit EQ in his own time, and with no intervention or direction from me.

Oh, and you didn't give Yorrik your opinions on the game. Not a single line of any post in this thread from you has anything to do with WoW at all, it's all about your dad and his problem. I can understand your frustration, but trolling MMO boards in an effort to save another poor soul from this "terrible", "life stealing" and "soul crushing" game doesn't help your dad or your family in any way. On the upside I guess if Yorrick really wants to know how you feel about WoW and not about your father's addiction, he could just read your "Massive compilation of everything WoW" sticky. One might assume that sometime in the not-so-distant past you actually liked the game, and quite well to create such a lengthy and informative post.

It really pisses me off when I say something semi-personal and give a firsthand account of what the game can do to you, and then people start attacking me for what I said. If you have a problem with what I said, deal with it. It's my opinion, my life, my thoughts. You can't change that. So next time don't be such an insensitive clod when you know absolutely nothing about the situation.

Check my post again, I didn’t attack you at all. I just conveyed what I thought to be the problem, albeit with a hint of sarcasm that probably wasn’t needed. It really pisses me off to see people like you post about how it’s all Blizzard’s fault, and how they need to do something, and how they intentionally made WoW to be a grindfest so people will become addicted. I’ve played just about every single major MMO ever released, and they all do essentially the same thing, WoW just does it better and easier.

Seriously, go back and read through your replies and you’ll see that through six different posts and multiple paragraphs of text you accomplished absolutely nothing and didn’t even answer the original poster’s question. He asked what people thought of the game, to which your first reply was about burning Blizzard’s offices down should you ever set foot in their neighborhood. Each subsequent reply held no information about the game itself, just more about how your father neglects everything in his life to play it. I do sympathize with you, as stated above my dad was an EQ addict for years. However, I don’t care for your attacks against Blizzard and what many people believe to be a very fun game simply because your father has a problem that he is too stubborn or afraid to deal with. I learned a long time ago that you can’t force change on someone, they have to willingly accept it, otherwise it’s pointless. You and your family can scream and yell at your dad all day long, but until he can “grow up” enough to listen to all of you and understand that he does have a problem there is nothing that’s going to change him. Hopefully he’ll be like my dad and just realize one day what a colossal waste of time spending every waking hour playing WoW is.

I've known many addicts, hooked on everything from pills to booze, and they all share one simple thing in common: Poor choices! The simple problem here is your dad CHOOSES to sit on his ass and play WoW all day. End of story, end of commentary, end of discussion. The problem rests squarely in his lap, and your “personal crusade against the evil Blizzard Entertainment” changes nothing. I hope things get better for you and your family, I truly do. I also hope that your negative posts regarding an otherwise exceptional game don't deter someone from trying something they may really enjoy.

glyc

[ 01-08-2007, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: Glycerine_74 ]