See what America has come to!!!

[AngelofDeath]

Kids are smart!!!

THE NEW SCHOOL PRAYER
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> This was written by a teen in Arizona.
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> Now I sit me down at school,
> Where praying is against the rule.
> For this great nation under God,
> Finds mention of Him very odd.
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> If Scripture now the class recites,
> It violates the Bill of Rights.
> And anytime my head I bow
> Becomes a Federal matter now.
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> Our hair can be purple, orange, or green,
> That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
> The law is specific, the law is precise.
> Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
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> For praying in a public hall
> Might offend someone with no faith at all.
> In silence alone we must meditate,
> God's name is prohibited by the state.
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> We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
> And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
> They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
> To quote the Good book makes me liable.
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> We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
> And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
> It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
> We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.
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> We can get our condoms and birth controls,
> study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
> But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
> No word of God must reach this crowd.
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> It's scary here I must confess,
> When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
> So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
> Should I be shot; My soul please take!
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> Amen
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We must NOT tollerate Terroism

[This message has been edited by AngelofDeath (edited 09-27-2001).]

[Silver Cheetah]

Originally posted by AngelofDeath: Kids are smart!!! , > study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. >

Never met a vampire - personally I like my blood just where it is, i.e. in my veins () but can't see what their beef is with witchcraft and totem poles.. All the witches I know are lovely people, and as for totems, everyone should have one...... Lots of fun and dead helpful...

Having done bible reading AND some of that other stuff, I'll take the witchcraft every time......


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Ascended Mistress of Illumination

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[DragonMage]

I actually agree up to a point. We are allowed all kinds of freedoms EXCEPT to pray aloud in certain places. Guess we only have 'partial freedom' in some ways.

P.S. Silver Cheetah, dear, my totem is a wolf. What's yours?

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The day we stop learning is the day we start dying!(c)

Owner/operator of the Evil Petting Zoo and devout member of the HADB clan.
Commander of the Dragon Fleet, IW Peacekeeping Force
Honored to be a member of the Illuminati - may the Light shine forever!
Mage extraordinair.
Occasional minion to Gwhanos the Fluffy

Hopeless Romantic *sigh*

"Allright! We'll call it a draw."

[Silver Cheetah]

Originally posted by DragonMage: I actually agree up to a point. We are allowed all kinds of freedoms EXCEPT to pray aloud in certain places. Guess we only have 'partial freedom' in some ways. P.S. Silver Cheetah, dear, my totem is a wolf. What's yours?

Guess, DragonMage!



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Ascended Mistress of Illumination

Originally posted by AngelofDeath: Kids are smart!!! > We can get our condoms and birth controls, > study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. > But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, > No word of God must reach this crowd. >

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the "study" of Wicca doesn't take place in public schools any more than the "study" of Christianity, i.e. not during operational hours, and not as a part of the curriculum. Many schools are used as Christian meeting places during off-hours, although I have never heard of one being used for a covening, and seriously doubt that it would go over.
My 2 cents as a Wiccan, fire at will.




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Oh I don't think the States are all that bad. I went to Maine last month and had a fantastic time. A lot of Americans don't realise how nice their own country is. I've been to every continent of the world and find the US one of the best

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah: Guess, DragonMage!

Ummmm.... Wombat?


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[DragonMage]

Originally posted by Absynthe: Ummmm.... Wombat?

LOL!!!! And the question was actually, more or less rhetorical, SC, sweetie!

BTW - good point in your other post re: schools not likely to allow a covening. No, we have to go hide behind trees and in basements. Alas! That's all right, I prefer to woods anyway! Brings me closer to the forces of nature.

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The day we stop learning is the day we start dying!(c)

Owner/operator of the Evil Petting Zoo and devout member of the HADB clan.
Commander of the Dragon Fleet, IW Peacekeeping Force
Honored to be a member of the Illuminati - may the Light shine forever!
Mage extraordinair.
Occasional minion to Gwhanos the Fluffy

Hopeless Romantic *sigh*

"Allright! We'll call it a draw."

[This message has been edited by DragonMage (edited 09-27-2001).]

[Silver Cheetah]

Originally posted by Absynthe: Ummmm.... Wombat?

I shall give you such a smack in a minute, bad Absynthe!!!



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Ascended Mistress of Illumination

[Diogenes Of Pumpkintown]

Originally posted by Silver Cheetah: Never met a vampire - personally I like my blood just where it is, i.e. in my veins () but can't see what their beef is with witchcraft and totem poles.. All the witches I know are lovely people, and as for totems, everyone should have one...... Lots of fun and dead helpful... Having done bible reading AND some of that other stuff, I'll take the witchcraft every time......

Silver Cheetah the witch. Of course!

The problem with the poem is that it states a popular bit of untrue political propaganda -- namely that it is illegal to pray in school. No Supreme
Court opinion has ever held that, or any american law said that.

What the constitution forbids is state sponsorship of a religion to the exclusion of others. That applies to All religions equally, Christianity and the others. And THAT is what certain fundamentalist christians who continue the above propaganda really object to. Their real beef is that they want Christianity recognized by the state as a sort of official amercian religion, and are frustrated by resistance to that idea.

The propaganda is based in part on erroneus claims that american was founded on Christian principles or as a Christian nation.

What formed the political entitity known as the United States, through its best and noblest aspects of law designed to maximize freedom, were political philosophies born from a meeting of liberal political philosophies from Europe such as the English philosopher John Locke's social contract theories with a wild and vigourous strain of freedom born of the anarchistic frontier and Indian influence, for instance the Iroquois confederacy, a personal study of which profoundly influenced Benjamin Franklin's (who was of course one of the key figures in the Revolution) ideas on democracy.

Christianity had little or nothing to do with the political principles which the US gov't is founded on.