America never gets help!!!

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by Donut: America and many European states help poor countries in times of disasters. I would like to think that we do this out of some moral obligation and not because we expect something in return.

Truer words have never been spoken.

FYI Australia, from our distant corner of the world, is ready to provide any military support that may be requested. Australia fought in both World Wars, far from their borders, lost tens of thousands in Gallipoli in WW1 and in Africa in WW2, and also sent frigates to the Gulf War.

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[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Donut: I have to disagree Nostron. it's difficult to know how we can aid you. Sending money to your Government would be like me sending Bill Gates a few quid if his house burned down. When the situation is clearer I'm sure there will be some kind of fund set up for the victims and their families and I would be happy to donate to this. You certainly don't need any more manpower. We can send specialists trained in finding people buried underground but sadly the time for this may well have passed. I'm sure the offer was made but with American airspace being closed it just wasn't possible. You say that the moral support doesn't do crap. I get the feeling that many Americans are drawing strength from the solidarity shown throughout the world. Once this happened the US Intelligence agencies immediately set out to find the people involved. They would not have been doing this in isolation. They will have been in contact with their counterparts in countries around the world. All possible assisstance will be being given to track the perpetrators down. Finally there is the military and logistical support that you will need to attack these people. I am typing this from Airstrip One. A small island off of the coast of Europe, (you may know it as Britain) . It is from here that the B52's will take off (this is one of the reasons why Britain has suffered terrorist attacks at the hands of the bin Laden group). All of America's allies will open their airspace to allow overflights. Other countries will allow attacks to be made from their territories. America and many European states help poor countries in times of disasters. I would like to think that we do this out of some moral obligation and not because we expect something in return.

Thank you, Donut
European and OTHER countries are helping the USA in this matter. I for one am not going to put a Qualifing amount on the help, and say that under this amount is not good enough. Any help is help! Thank you all for what ever you or your countries have done to help my countrymen, and country in this matter.
John D. Harris

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"the memories of a man in his old age,
are deeds of a man in his prime"

[This message has been edited by John D Harris (edited 09-15-2001).]

[Memnoch]

Just to reinforce my earlier comments.


Australia offers troops

September 15, 2001 Posted: 3:47 PM HKT (0747 GMT)

CANBERRA, Australia (CNN) -- Australia will follow the lead of the United States in the event of a retaliatory strike being made against terrorists or their sponsors.

Prime Minister John Howard said on Friday Australian troops would serve under U.S. command in that eventuality.

After a marathon cabinet meeting, Howard announced he had invoked Article 4 of the ANZUS treaty, a defense pact formed between Australia, New Zealand and the United States after WWII.

This formally commits Australia to support its large partner in the event of a military response, according to the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper.

It is the first time the treaty has been formally invoked. The decision was swift, Howard said, and was viewed by everyone in cabinet as the next logical step.

He said the United States would command Australians involved.

A statement from the White House press office in Washington noted the 50 years of the treaty and added: "Although our alliance with Australia was crafted under very different circumstances than exist now, the events of September 11, 2001 are a powerful reminder that the alliance and our shared commitments are no less valid today."



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[Istaron]

Originally posted by Cloudbringer: Istaron, while I do appreciate the general pointI think you mean to make, this can be misconstrued. Yes, it could be worse, everything anywhere "COULD" be worse. We could have had a nuclear war and all be ashes now...but that doesn't make us hurt any less for what DID happen. Most of us do realize that there is suffering in the world on a daily basis. We are just dealing with a severe blow to our own soil, our own psyche as a nation. Please let us mourn and then worry about enlightening folk on the ills of the world, ok? Cloudy

Of course, you have right to mourn. I just think it is unfair to be called selfish, ungratefull to USA and so on, just because I don't travell there and help rebuild WTC with my own hands.

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[John D Harris]

Memnoch, I didn't want to give the impression that I was leaving our "Little Brother" out. I was talking to Mom.
Thanks, John D.


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"the memories of a man in his old age,
are deeds of a man in his prime"

[Sazerac]

The tragedy that occurred on Tuesday in New York City and Washington DC was heartbreaking, senseless, and completely unjustified. It also is not the worst tragedy that has occurred.

I wonder how many of our British members are reminded of the Blitzkreig during the early years of World War II, when huge sections of London and the surrounding areas were devastated by the German bombers, and so many people lost their lives horribly? Where was America then?

And yet, Britain is there, backing us 100% during this tragedy. I for one am honored for that support, as I and others are thankful for the support and caring shown to us by all our other global friends.

Believe us: we appreciate any and all aid and support the rest of the world can give. Thank you for being there for us.




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[Fljotsdale]

Originally posted by Sazerac: The tragedy that occurred on Tuesday in New York City and Washington DC was heartbreaking, senseless, and completely unjustified. It also is not the worst tragedy that has occurred. I wonder how many of our British members are reminded of the Blitzkreig during the early years of World War II, when huge sections of London and the surrounding areas were devastated by the German bombers, and so many people lost their lives horribly? Where was America then? And yet, Britain is there, backing us 100% during this tragedy. I for one am honored for that support, as I and others are thankful for the support and caring shown to us by all our other global friends. Believe us: we appreciate any and all aid and support the rest of the world can give. Thank you for being there for us.

Not only London, Saz. The 'industrial Midlands, where I live, and have lived all my life, took a serious battering. There seemed to be more bomb-blasted buildings than intact ones in my city. My parents would come home from ambulance and fire duty filthy dirty after rescuing the injured from bombed buildings or extracting the remains of the dead. Night after night after night. It took Britain a long time to recover and rebuild - but we did. And so will America. Remember the line from the poem (slightly modified) by W E Henley:
"Our heads are bloody, but unbowed"

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If I might say so this was an thoughtless thread of one who obviously lacks knowledge about what is happening in the world

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[Sazerac]

Originally posted by Fljotsdale: Not only London, Saz. The 'industrial Midlands, where I live, and have lived all my life, took a serious battering. There seemed to be more bomb-blasted buildings than intact ones in my city. My parents would come home from ambulance and fire duty filthy dirty after rescuing the injured from bombed buildings or extracting the remains of the dead. Night after night after night. It took Britain a long time to recover and rebuild - but we did. And so will America. Remember the line from the poem (slightly modified) by W E Henley: "Our heads are bloody, but unbowed"

Fljotsdale, I had thought that Liverpool, Manchester, and other of the industrial portions of England had undergone the "Blitz" as well, but I was not certain. Thanks for affirming this. And yes, that line by W E Henley is very much appropriate for all of us. Thank you for that.




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[Cloudbringer]

Originally posted by Donut: You say that the moral support doesn't do crap. I get the feeling that many Americans are drawing strength from the solidarity shown throughout the world. Once this happened the US Intelligence agencies immediately set out to find the people involved. They would not have been doing this in isolation. They will have been in contact with their counterparts in countries around the world. All possible assisstance will be being given to track the perpetrators down. Finally there is the military and logistical support that you will need to attack these people. I am typing this from Airstrip One. A small island off of the coast of Europe, (you may know it as Britain) . It is from here that the B52's will take off (this is one of the reasons why Britain has suffered terrorist attacks at the hands of the bin Laden group). All of America's allies will open their airspace to allow overflights. Other countries will allow attacks to be made from their territories.

As always, Donut, very well said and reasonable besides.

I'm drawing strength from the good wishes and sympathetic support voiced all over the world. The playing of our anthem in other countries, the outpouring of sorrow for the victim's families, the rescue workers, the nation as a whole.

I'm crying as I type this. I've been doing so off and on since Tuesday. The enormity of the whole thing has been seeping into my conscious mind past all the barriers I wanted to keep up, to be able to 'be strong', but you know what? The obvious care and sympathy from all around the world, the little gestures of kindness and compassion from other countries, have all pushed those barriers away and I'm grieving in full now. So, to the rest of the world : You are appreciated, no matter what you offer or do. The support is welcome.

Cloudy



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