11-11-2009, 04:25 PM | #1 |
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Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ist_99110.html
(Edit: Luvian) Hey Felix. Please stop spamming the board with whole articles. If you want to bring something here for discussion that's great, but then give us a link and post your own comments. You're not a spambot as far as I know. Or are you?
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11-11-2009, 08:20 PM | #2 | |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
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11-12-2009, 01:21 AM | #3 | |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
G'day Felix. Actually, as someone who doesn't get involved in these things and could care less what political persuasion you guys are - this something that has been an issue of discussion in the mod room for the last little while. I appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion (which is badly needed) so don't take this personally as your intent is fine, but maybe there's an issue with the way you're doing it. Posting links to articles with little comment or discussion in the opening post doesn't really encourage people to initiate a dialogue.
If I could make a suggestion (this is what I usually do when I post articles) - post snippets of the article, along with the link, with the key points that you want to highlight and then provide some commentary on that to try and stimulate discussion. I think that will work. For example, from your link, I might do something like this: Quote:
As another example, your link brings up some interesting points that can be debated in a rational, vigorous, passionate yet respectful manner (I don't think any of those words are mutually exclusive):
Just a few of the many paths this discourse can take, if you but encourage it in a rational, vigorous, passionate yet respectful manner. Good luck mate Last edited by Memnoch; 11-12-2009 at 01:28 AM. |
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11-12-2009, 06:34 AM | #4 |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
I think it is silly that a member here would be "corrected" for posting an article as a thread starter. To be perfectly blunt, it isn't like the General Discussion section is being overrun with posts in the first place. And the lack of serious discussions here echoes loudly in it's silence.
When I first joined IW, there were times when members were virtually having "real time" discussions because the posts came so fast in a hot topic. Now, the forum goes for days (and sometimes weeks) without anything more meaningful than the new Joke of the Day being posted. Personally, I am far more likely to join a discussion when the article is posted rather than having to follow a link to discover the context of the posters comments before I can begin the conversation.
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11-12-2009, 06:42 AM | #5 |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
Now that the pent-up rant is taken care of, I'll move on to the article in question.
I think it is absolutely ludicrous that anyone could call Major Hassan a "hero" for his actions and I agree such language IS terroristic. Major Hassan attacked military and civilian personnel. By definition, his act was one of terrorism. I do agree that Muslims in the military should be allowed to "opt out" based on their religious beliefs. But the article makes a good point that Muslims don't have any trouble killing each other - even on religious holidays - on their own. Still, if a soldier doesn't feel he can fulfill his sworn duty to protect, honor and defend this country and their fellow soldiers, then they don't need to be in the military and should be given an option to leave.
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11-12-2009, 09:06 AM | #6 | |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
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1) It is ludicrous for anyone to call him a hero from "your viewpoint". From other viewpoints he would be considered a hero. I recall a time when terrorists were bombing London on a regular basis. These terrorists (from my viewpoint) were being funded by (amongst others) US citizens, who considered them to be "freedom fighters". In fact the US refused to extradite men accused of murdering policemen because the actions were "political". I suspect it was more to do with garnering the votes of the Irish American lobby. 2) It could be said that "The United States, The United Kingdom and their NATO allies attacked military and civilian personnel." Is this terrorism? By many definitions it is. (Not by mine I might add) 3) "By definition, his act was one of terrorism". That is true of the definition of terrorism that you choose to use. In fact there are hundreds of definitions, the only thing that they seem to have in common is "the use of violence or the threat of violence" Personally I'm sure it was terrorism. Donut Last edited by Lanesra; 11-12-2009 at 09:23 AM. Reason: Because I used my brother's login! |
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11-12-2009, 09:22 AM | #7 | |
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Anyways! it's sad to see that there is not a lot of discussion here anymore. I recall when I left it was because the overzealous moderators would stomp you with a title of "anti-american" if you had the temerity to suggest a dislike for Apple Pie. Perhaps the pendulum has swung back too far in the opposite direction. Just in case anyone is unsure - I changed my name by deed poll from Donut to Lanesra. |
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11-12-2009, 10:50 AM | #8 |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
Lol common sense! Sounds more like simplistic thinking, along the lines of Muslim+ Commits murder = terrorism.
Common sense dictates we get all the facts before jumping to conclusions. Common sense also says every act of violence is an act of terrorism, because terror is one of the effects of violence, everytime. Anyway so was this terrorism? I say who cares?!?!? First off- It's giving sick murderers even more publicity, which is exactly what they want. If it wasn't "terrorism" before, al queda wants you to think it is now. Second, It's a semantics game. Calling it terrorism make it easier to fear-monger and it's easy to understand the sensationalistic appeal of the label. Third, but most important it deflects attention from the more obvious real problem, which is an epidemic of mass-murders where the killer used a handgun(s).
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11-12-2009, 11:37 AM | #9 |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
Agreed. Not really enough to enough justify a discussion. IMO he was a terrorist the moment he started terrorizing innocent people. But then, there is no sure definition of a terrorist as it stands today. I guess in this context a terrorist is supposed to be someone who prays before they kill people? So the rest of the mass murderers need to remember not to pray beforehand (at least out loud) so they can avoid that label.
To speak to the moderator's points, I agree and have said so more than once. Long articles that we all well know have one intention, only serve to hurt our eyes. I'll take a slow forum any day rather than being super-crit with the power of copy & paste every time I open a thread - which naturally contains no opinions, thoughts or anything constructive. Like I said, one intent: To forward a political viewpoint, albeit, a severely warped one at that. But of course, we all know we're talking to a wall here. Pun intended.
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11-12-2009, 12:21 PM | #10 | |
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Re: Common Sense Says Major Hasan Was a Terrorist
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As for what makes one a terrorist, I think we should just think of the term. If someone does horrible deeds in order to spread mass-panic in regular people, I'd say that qualifies as terrorism, prayers or no prayers. A person gunning down a dozen people out of personal spite and hatred for humanity, on the other hand, would not be strictly terrorism in my mind. Terrorism requires an ulterior motive or organized background, in my opinion. Otherwise you're just a psychotic mass murderer(which terrorists in turn can very well be, i guess..)
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