Pissed off with Human Rights Groups

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I can tell you one thing, if it was a Chinese mainland assassin, we

A) would have done it ages ago
B) wouldn't have missed

[Diamond Q]

Originally posted by Kakero: quote: Originally posted by Micah Foehammer: It's barely a majority that voted for Pro-democracy for sure, but it is STILL a majority! Who can say WHAT the difference might be in 10 or 20 years? I think it's extremely wishful thinking on your part, Avatar, to hope for Taiwan and China to be under the same flag.

The majority here that was won is a very very questionable one. Did the assasination attempt on President Chen had a major impact on the result? Was it deliberately made so that he will win the election? Kuomintang presidential candidate Lien Chan was favoured to win the election at first. However, with the insident came the "dubious" result.

First it was Macau, then came Hong Kong coming back to China. I would like to see Taiwan do the same too. When that will happen is another matter entirely. [/QUOTE]Macau was leased by Portugal
Hong Kong was leased by the British Empire

Taiwan was not leased by any European power. It exists under a self determined course. Which is in effect - no matter what China may say, or what nations don't acknowledge - INDEPENDANCE.

[ 09-10-2004, 05:24 AM: Message edited by: Diamond Q ]

[Diamond Q]

Originally posted by Avatar: Oh heaven's sake, this is not an arguement about Taiwan [img]tongue.gif[/img] The Pro-Democracy won their vote by 50.4% against 49.6% so that is hardly conclusive!!!!! If you ask most Taiwanese people, they want to be happy and free, They wouldn't mind being part of China if China was a democracy. Remember Taiwan formed only 50 odd years ago when retreating Republic Chinese forces went there. So they are chinese people of this generation [img]smile.gif[/img] One day we will be under the same flag, but for now its different [img]smile.gif[/img]

Chinese people went to Singapore. To Chinatowns in New York, Sydney and others. Should all these Chinese be forcibly absorbed back into the Communist repression they left simply because of their ethnicity?

"If you ask most Taiwanese they want to be happy and free"

That would mean, free from Jiang and the Communist Party's dictatorial and abusive government.

[ 09-10-2004, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: Diamond Q ]

[Diamond Q]

Originally posted by Avatar: I am Chinese and we have a long and different culture!

And would that be Han, Cantonese, Manchu or something else? "Chinese" is as vague a term as "European".

We like to have parades and love our country (tibet, hong kong and taiwan included).

Tibet is not the Han's country. Tibet is Tibetan. Forced into Union with first the "Middle Kingdom", and then the Communist China. The Han have emigrated into Tibet, repressed Tibetans, driven away their leader the Dalai Lama, kidnapped his #2 the Panchen Lama and are changing the face of Tibet through this immigration policy.

So don't go telling us what is right or wrong. Look at Northern Ireland. Look at the Falklands! Look at Okinawa and Hawaii

Yes, these are wrong. This doesn't make Chinese policy "right". Citing evils of the west does not make Chinese policy not evil. It simply shows evil can be committed by every human of every race and every political ideology.

So don't even say that any country is different.

Iceland is different.

BTW, I really enjoy the 1970s videos they have of Tibet... its facinating but CRAP! Though it seems to work in stirring up hatred.

Justifiable anger.
Tibet. Inner Mongolia. Manchuria. None of these are Han, yet are ruled by the Han. You see one huge nation, yet it is like Europe being one nation ruled by Germans. Tibetans do not want Han leadership. Taiwanese do not want Communist party leadership.

Why is that so hard to see?

China has changed a lot and is still changing. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yes it is, and it is wonderful to see.

[Avatar]

You should do law [img]smile.gif[/img] they can use outdated and minimal information to sound really convincing.

You achieved 8/10 in that area.

First of all it's not "Jiang" it is "Hu" now [img]smile.gif[/img]

Second of all, People of Taiwan went over there 50 years ago, not 200. A difference.

These people would prefer to be power in Beijing but failed. They are not immigrants.

Yes China is made of different nations and so are most countries. What is your point???


So I can't call Wales part of the UK and Scotalnd has its own parliment?

Welsh people hate the English more than Taiwan people hate other chinese people.

What do you know and what is your point?

Tibet?

Do you know the history of Tibet? We striked an alliance in the 1500s with Tibet to merge into one country. An alliance that ended when China was in turmoil and invaded by Japan.
So we took Tibet back with violence... boohoo

Stop throwing a hissy fit! What did you do to Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

America was founded on blood of Indians. So stop complaining when I call Tibet and Taiwan part of China, just as the Manchurians used call China part of Manchuria.

The point IS!!!!! Human Rights Groups going over the top!

oh by the way... Iceland... you keep doing whatever it is that you do.

*rolleyes*

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What does Iceland do anyway?

I never read about in the papers, in news, in sports, in science, in art or in anything. Occsionally hear about in Tourism and Geography.

Hear its kinda classy and expensive there! But very beautiful, no?

Wasn't it called iceland when the Danes couldn't take it. And called Greenland that name in vain?

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And oh my god communist regimes are so evil aren't they!!!!

Everyone is so depressed in China that they can't do stuff that people do else where!

Like vote! Like the 26% of the public in the UK that do actually vote, and 40% of them admit they vote randomly!

Ever been to China and see all the people who are actually happier? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
hehe, you will be surprised to see how amazing Shanghai, Shenzhen and Macao isn't as bad as Tokyo or Hong Kong....

and by the way so much better than here
Cheaper and more advanced goods, better food, and generally better.

So even though its Communist regime, it's a quite happy one [img]smile.gif[/img]

Which is not the case for all Communist regimes i have to say!

But neither is it for all democracy regimes!!!!
[img]smile.gif[/img]

Yes there are A LOT poor places in China. Some are much better now [img]smile.gif[/img] Most can have a TV and a tractor and a brick house.

But a concentrated small % can't even afford shovels The gap is widening. But there are poor people in every country. Japan, UK, USA.

And China tries to offer good social secuirty for these people, which is point of Communism.

So it doesn't seem to bad when u get it right?

Except its communism dictorship and that is BAD right? RIGHT???

[Kakero]

Originally posted by Avatar: I can tell you one thing, if it was a Chinese mainland assassin, we A) would have done it ages ago B) wouldn't have missed

Aye, a member from the K-14 would have done the job perfectly.

[Kakero]

Originally posted by Diamond Q: quote: Originally posted by Kakero: quote: Originally posted by Micah Foehammer: It's barely a majority that voted for Pro-democracy for sure, but it is STILL a majority! Who can say WHAT the difference might be in 10 or 20 years? I think it's extremely wishful thinking on your part, Avatar, to hope for Taiwan and China to be under the same flag.

The majority here that was won is a very very questionable one. Did the assasination attempt on President Chen had a major impact on the result? Was it deliberately made so that he will win the election? Kuomintang presidential candidate Lien Chan was favoured to win the election at first. However, with the insident came the "dubious" result.

First it was Macau, then came Hong Kong coming back to China. I would like to see Taiwan do the same too. When that will happen is another matter entirely. [/QUOTE]Macau was leased by Portugal
Hong Kong was leased by the British Empire

Taiwan was not leased by any European power. It exists under a self determined course. Which is in effect - no matter what China may say, or what nations don't acknowledge - INDEPENDANCE. [/QUOTE]In 17th Century, the Ming Dynasty leased Taiwan to a person called Guo Xi Gai ( who happens to be a chinese ). Taiwan on the 19th century was part of Qing Dynasty. In 1895, Japanese troops landed on Taiwan and took control of it. After WW2, Japan lost the war and the allies decided that China should have a control over Taiwan. Thus, given the historical records, Taiwan belongs to China.

[Nightwing]

Avatar how can you say Tibet is not a Free nation. http://projectsouthasia.sdstate.edu/...eaty1914VI.htm

Tibet was free from China 2000 years ago and now China is going aginst the treaty they signed. There occupation of Tibaet is purely economical. They have wiped out almost 50% of there forest there and are stripping the land bare with unregulated mining all for money.