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Old 06-23-2003, 02:58 PM   #1
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Funnily enough, I saw a report about this on CNN just a minute ago; they hadn't updated their website yet with that newer report (which contained a response from the U.S. immigration authorities as well, IIRC), but I'm sure it'll follow soon enough.

U.S. Mistreats Immigrant Children, Amnesty Says


Wed June 18, 2003 05:02 PM ET
By Jane Sutton

MIAMI (Reuters) - The United States locks up more than 5,000 children a year who enter the country illegally and alone, often holding them in harsh conditions without access to lawyers, rights group Amnesty International said on Wednesday.
Some are jailed with criminals, strip-searched, shackled and physically abused, in violation of international accords and of a 1985 U.S. court ruling that children in immigration custody must be treated with "dignity, respect and special concern for their vulnerability as minors," Amnesty said in a report released in Miami and other cities.
Some have been sent by their parents to join relatives in the United States. Others are fleeing abuse, war and recruitment in rebel armies, Amnesty said.
"They come to this country seeking freedom only to find themselves instead facing abuse, detention and neglect on the part of U.S. authorities," said Ajamu Baraka, Amnesty's regional director for the southeastern United States.
"You are forced to appear before a judge to argue your case by yourself, often in a language you don't understand."
U.S. immigration authorities had no immediate comment.
Amnesty said children from all over the world, from toddlers to teens, are held for months and sometimes years while U.S. authorities decide whether to grant them political asylum or humanitarian resettlement.

EXTENSIVE INTERVIEWS
Amnesty's report was based on interviews with detained children and lawyers who work with them, and on surveys sent to 115 U.S. facilities that hold illegal immigrant children.
Among the 33 facilities that answered the survey fully, 48 percent said they held unaccompanied minors in the same cells as juvenile offenders and more than half said they used solitary confinement as punishment.
Eighty-three percent said they put the children in handcuffs, shackles, belly chains or other restraints when taking them to court or other places outside the facility.
Fewer than half of such children have contact with lawyers and there is no system to provide them with adult guardians to speak for them in court, Amnesty said.
The report cited examples of treatment it called cruel and degrading: Children at a Pennsylvania facility were kicked and thrown to the floor for infractions such as saying "Can I use the bathroom?" instead of "May I use the bathroom?" it said.
Staff at a Texas facility took away blankets and mattresses and turned up the air conditioning to make it "unbearably cold" when children misbehaved, the report said.
The report cited one cause for optimism. Responsibility for unaccompanied immigrant children was transferred on March 1 to the newly created U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement, and legislation pending in Congress would require that they be given legal guardians and access to translators.
Previously, they were in custody of the same immigration agency that was charged with prosecuting them for deportation.
Jimmy Noel was one of the lucky ones. He was 16 when he arrived illegally in October with a boat full of Haitian emigres, hoping to join his family in Miami. He was held under armed guard in a hotel room for two weeks.
"My family didn't know where I was ... I didn't get a chance to change clothes. At the hotel there was no staff who spoke Creole who could help me," he told Reuters on Wednesday through a translator.
He was held for two months more at a Boys Town facility in Miami, then released to his sister's custody on Christmas Eve after a baffling series of hearings.
"I was really scared because I did not know what was going to happen to me," he said.
Source: Reuters


Related article:
Official Amnesty USA press release
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Old 06-23-2003, 09:29 PM   #2
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All illegals should be euthanised in a humanitarion manner and ashes returned to native country(cheaper to cremate). This will obviously discourage further immigration and over-crowding which is for the best. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 06-23-2003, 09:43 PM   #3
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You took the words right out of my mouth Lord of Alcohol! Except I think we should just flush the ashes. [img]graemlins/toilet.gif[/img]
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Old 06-23-2003, 09:54 PM   #4
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Somebody go grab some torches and pitchforks.
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Old 06-23-2003, 11:26 PM   #5
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This is disgusting. I can't believe people would joke about children being treated like this. Filthy trolls.


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48 percent said they held unaccompanied minors in the same cells as juvenile offenders and more than half said they used solitary confinement as punishment.

Eighty-three percent said they put the children in handcuffs, shackles, belly chains or other restraints when taking them to court or other places outside the facility.
Fewer than half of such children have contact with lawyers and there is no system to provide them with adult guardians to speak for them in court, Amnesty said...

...Children at a Pennsylvania facility were kicked and thrown to the floor for infractions such as saying "Can I use the bathroom?" instead of "May I use the bathroom?" it said.
Staff at a Texas facility took away blankets and mattresses and turned up the air conditioning to make it "unbearably cold" when children misbehaved, the report said.
I hope this never happens to your kids.
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Old 06-23-2003, 11:46 PM   #6
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All illegals should be euthanised in a humanitarion manner and ashes returned to native country(cheaper to cremate). This will obviously discourage further immigration and over-crowding which is for the best. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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You took the words right out of my mouth Lord of Alcohol! Except I think we should just flush the ashes. [img]graemlins/toilet.gif[/img]
It's too bad your immigrate forbearers where not treated this why. Then we would not have to read your hateful ideas. I agree with Chewbacca you two should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Old 06-23-2003, 11:50 PM   #7
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This is disgusting. I can't believe people would joke about children being treated like this. Filthy trolls.


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48 percent said they held unaccompanied minors in the same cells as juvenile offenders and more than half said they used solitary confinement as punishment.

Eighty-three percent said they put the children in handcuffs, shackles, belly chains or other restraints when taking them to court or other places outside the facility.
Fewer than half of such children have contact with lawyers and there is no system to provide them with adult guardians to speak for them in court, Amnesty said...

...Children at a Pennsylvania facility were kicked and thrown to the floor for infractions such as saying "Can I use the bathroom?" instead of "May I use the bathroom?" it said.
Staff at a Texas facility took away blankets and mattresses and turned up the air conditioning to make it "unbearably cold" when children misbehaved, the report said.
I hope this never happens to your kids. [/QUOTE]Well if my kids ever get arrested for doing something illegal, I hope they receive the same treatment as all the others that are arrested for doing something illegal. There's a reason it's called jail, and not daycare.
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Old 06-23-2003, 11:54 PM   #8
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quote:
Originally posted by Chewbacca:
This is disgusting. I can't believe people would joke about children being treated like this. Filthy trolls.


quote:
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48 percent said they held unaccompanied minors in the same cells as juvenile offenders and more than half said they used solitary confinement as punishment.

Eighty-three percent said they put the children in handcuffs, shackles, belly chains or other restraints when taking them to court or other places outside the facility.
Fewer than half of such children have contact with lawyers and there is no system to provide them with adult guardians to speak for them in court, Amnesty said...

...Children at a Pennsylvania facility were kicked and thrown to the floor for infractions such as saying "Can I use the bathroom?" instead of "May I use the bathroom?" it said.
Staff at a Texas facility took away blankets and mattresses and turned up the air conditioning to make it "unbearably cold" when children misbehaved, the report said.
I hope this never happens to your kids. [/QUOTE]Well if my kids ever get arrested for doing something illegal, I hope they receive the same treatment as all the others that are arrested for doing something illegal. There's a reason it's called jail, and not daycare. [/QUOTE]Great! I can't wait to see your kids in chains, denied access to legal representation, and beaten for making a very common and innocuous grammar error.

Did you even bother to read the article?
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Old 06-24-2003, 12:44 AM   #9
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Originally posted by John D Harris:
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Originally posted by Chewbacca:
This is disgusting. I can't believe people would joke about children being treated like this. Filthy trolls.


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48 percent said they held unaccompanied minors in the same cells as juvenile offenders and more than half said they used solitary confinement as punishment.

Eighty-three percent said they put the children in handcuffs, shackles, belly chains or other restraints when taking them to court or other places outside the facility.
Fewer than half of such children have contact with lawyers and there is no system to provide them with adult guardians to speak for them in court, Amnesty said...

...Children at a Pennsylvania facility were kicked and thrown to the floor for infractions such as saying "Can I use the bathroom?" instead of "May I use the bathroom?" it said.
Staff at a Texas facility took away blankets and mattresses and turned up the air conditioning to make it "unbearably cold" when children misbehaved, the report said.
I hope this never happens to your kids. [/QUOTE]Well if my kids ever get arrested for doing something illegal, I hope they receive the same treatment as all the others that are arrested for doing something illegal. There's a reason it's called jail, and not daycare. [/QUOTE]Great! I can't wait to see your kids in chains, denied access to legal representation, and beaten for making a very common and innocuous grammar error.

Did you even bother to read the article?
[/QUOTE]Well you'll be waiting a very long time, I raised my children to understand life is mean, tough, and there are no free rides in life. If you go to jail it's going to be hard, and not very pleasant, so you had better THINK before you do ANYTHING that might get you arrested!

Yes I did read the article, so what? Kids arrested are treated like other kids arrested. Guess what there are bad people everywhere and some abuse thier power, they WILL pay for thier abuse one way or another.

Please give me the diffention of illegal? Then after you define illegal, what makes one illegal differant then another illegal? Who sets up the differance? How do they get the power to set up the differance? How can it be changed? What if the people with the power to change it do not want to change it?
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Old 06-24-2003, 01:03 AM   #10
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A line has been crossed...
This thread needs the lyrics to "Bless the Beasts and the Children" really fast. Or how about that Whitney Houston song about the children being our future. How about just a song about treating the innocent innocently and the gentle with gentleness.

Children are the closest thing to "innocence" I can conceive of in a human and anyone who would supports degrading them in a manner like described in the original news article and the posts above are LESS than human in my eyes.

It is they who should be illegal, chained, locked up in solitary, and beaten for grammar errors. They should not have lawyers or visits with family. In the end we should burn them up after gassing them to death on live TV as a testimony of what will happen to anyone who harms, degrades, abuses, and defiles the most precious assets we have.

I'm about done here.

Thanks for the article, Grojlach.
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