Is a F/M/T worth it?

Ultra Marine · 01-05-2006, 03:50 AM

From the past, i usually put an Elf Fighter/Mage/Thief in every party i made. Its better than a dualed thief or a single thief. And i find it pretty useful even at normal mode. Should I drop this idea?

Dragonshadow · 01-05-2006, 08:28 AM

It's a fairly good idea, they just won't be as powerfl as a single class.
When they get to higher levels though, they're pretty good.

ZFR · 01-05-2006, 10:07 AM

In a party of 6, I'd say try a gnome thief/illusionist, or any thief/mage instead.

krunchyfrogg · 01-05-2006, 05:23 PM

If this character is just there to open locks and disarm traps, you will be fine, just give him a bow and shoot some arrows when not handling traps.

Don't rely on him as a Fighter or a Mage, make sure he is in a backup role here.

I like FMT's too, but my biggest problem with them in IWD is only having one weapon slot. I hate pausing and switching weapons, it's annoying. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Ultra Marine · 01-05-2006, 08:14 PM

Aside from the 1 weapon slot, would'n the F/M/T have more hp and has got backstab skill than a F/M. Compare to a F/T, wouldn't the F/M/T have mage defence?

As a mage ... bad ... no where near bg2

krunchyfrogg · 01-05-2006, 09:18 PM

If my math is correct, comparing a FMT to a FM (assuming a 17 constitution), the FM will end up with 1 more HP than the FMT. The FMT will have a much better backstab than a FM (who has no backstab), but a FT will be a better combatant than a FMT (armor without casting, more HP, better THAC0).

Aerich · 01-06-2006, 12:24 AM

I prefer the multiclass fighter/thief, myself. It levels up quicker than the triple-class and fills the archer/scout role admirably. I prefer to have my mage or mages be two-classed (either multi or dual) at most, because a mage's power is so level-dependent.

Ultra Marine · 01-06-2006, 05:22 AM

I dunno. Maybe I try a F/T this time and a F/M next time.

But anyway, the last time i used a FMT, my party had a Paladin, R/C, Fig(7)>Druid, FMT. That's it. All she did was shoot arrows, orbs, fireballs, web & summoning and sneak aroung. And for some reason the Elf FMT scores highest kills. Can't figure out why but I kept using the FMT after this.

ister · 01-06-2006, 06:16 AM

I'd think that in the party you posted a M/T would be much more useful. You're counting on a triple class as your only mage! The double classer will have much more efective spells (more fireball damage, longer lasting webs, nastier Chromatic orbs, more magic missiles, earlier access to better summoning spells).

Comparing the F/M/T to a F/M is unfair. If you take the F/M who is going to disable traps? Unless you had two thieves in your party (and if you do, STOP IT), you cannot replace a F/M/T with a F/M.

I think that the M/T is a much more useful character than the F/M/T simply beause the spell casting is quite a bit better. Sure he can't backstab without putting his life in danger, and is crap with a bow, but that's not his role. If you like the F/M/T as a mage who can take care of locks and traps, and can scout as needed, you'll find the M/T is better in these roles.

I find the comparison with the F/T a little more favourable for the F/M/T. The F/T will have a better backstab most of the time, and will definitely be a bit more effective with the bow, but the mage spells can be very handy for a backstabber. If you use the F/M/T's spells to complement his backstabbing (mirror image, improved invisibility), then I think you need to stick with the F/M/T. If you only use the F/M/T as a backup mage and prefer to focus on archery and simple backstabs the F/T is definitely better in those functions.

Personally I'm with ZFR - I prefer the thief/illusionist over the fighter/thief and the fighter/mage/thief. But then I'm a sucker for the killer saving throw bonuses, and don't like to backstab.

[ 01-06-2006, 06:18 AM: Message edited by: ister ]

krunchyfrogg · 01-06-2006, 05:23 PM

Just curious here: How many people have actually themselves tried a FMT in a full party? IME, it's not nearly as bad as most think it is! They make awesome archers (DEX 19, +1 to hit w/ Bows) and if you keep them out of melee, they are just awesome.

You don't run into the problems of not finding enough scrolls since the mage level is nerfed, and you don't ever have a problem with thieving.

01-05-2006, 08:28 AM	#2
Dragonshadow Quth-Maren Join Date: February 17, 2003 Location: Portsmouth Age: 34 Posts: 4,145	It's a fairly good idea, they just won't be as powerfl as a single class. When they get to higher levels though, they're pretty good. __________________ aka Loc der Graf, Quillruke

01-05-2006, 10:07 AM	#3
ZFR Legion Symbol Join Date: February 14, 2002 Location: Ireland Age: 39 Posts: 7,367	In a party of 6, I'd say try a gnome thief/illusionist, or any thief/mage instead. __________________ ZFR

01-05-2006, 05:23 PM	#4
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 48 Posts: 1,516	If this character is just there to open locks and disarm traps, you will be fine, just give him a bow and shoot some arrows when not handling traps. Don't rely on him as a Fighter or a Mage, make sure he is in a backup role here. I like FMT's too, but my biggest problem with them in IWD is only having one weapon slot. I hate pausing and switching weapons, it's annoying. [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-05-2006, 09:18 PM	#6
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 48 Posts: 1,516	If my math is correct, comparing a FMT to a FM (assuming a 17 constitution), the FM will end up with 1 more HP than the FMT. The FMT will have a much better backstab than a FM (who has no backstab), but a FT will be a better combatant than a FMT (armor without casting, more HP, better THAC0). __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-06-2006, 12:24 AM	#7
Aerich Lord Ao Join Date: May 27, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 42 Posts: 2,061	I prefer the multiclass fighter/thief, myself. It levels up quicker than the triple-class and fills the archer/scout role admirably. I prefer to have my mage or mages be two-classed (either multi or dual) at most, because a mage's power is so level-dependent. __________________ Where there is a great deal of free speech, there is always a certain amount of foolish speech. - Winston S. Churchill

01-05-2006, 03:50 AM	#1
Ultra Marine The Magister Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: Australia Age: 52 Posts: 131	From the past, i usually put an Elf Fighter/Mage/Thief in every party i made. Its better than a dualed thief or a single thief. And i find it pretty useful even at normal mode. Should I drop this idea?

01-05-2006, 08:14 PM	#5
Ultra Marine The Magister Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: Australia Age: 52 Posts: 131	Aside from the 1 weapon slot, would'n the F/M/T have more hp and has got backstab skill than a F/M. Compare to a F/T, wouldn't the F/M/T have mage defence? As a mage ... bad ... no where near bg2

01-06-2006, 05:22 AM	#8
Ultra Marine The Magister Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: Australia Age: 52 Posts: 131	I dunno. Maybe I try a F/T this time and a F/M next time. But anyway, the last time i used a FMT, my party had a Paladin, R/C, Fig(7)>Druid, FMT. That's it. All she did was shoot arrows, orbs, fireballs, web & summoning and sneak aroung. And for some reason the Elf FMT scores highest kills. Can't figure out why but I kept using the FMT after this.

01-06-2006, 06:16 AM	#9
ister Drow Warrior Join Date: January 12, 2005 Location: usa Age: 56 Posts: 291	I'd think that in the party you posted a M/T would be much more useful. You're counting on a triple class as your only mage! The double classer will have much more efective spells (more fireball damage, longer lasting webs, nastier Chromatic orbs, more magic missiles, earlier access to better summoning spells). Comparing the F/M/T to a F/M is unfair. If you take the F/M who is going to disable traps? Unless you had two thieves in your party (and if you do, STOP IT), you cannot replace a F/M/T with a F/M. I think that the M/T is a much more useful character than the F/M/T simply beause the spell casting is quite a bit better. Sure he can't backstab without putting his life in danger, and is crap with a bow, but that's not his role. If you like the F/M/T as a mage who can take care of locks and traps, and can scout as needed, you'll find the M/T is better in these roles. I find the comparison with the F/T a little more favourable for the F/M/T. The F/T will have a better backstab most of the time, and will definitely be a bit more effective with the bow, but the mage spells can be very handy for a backstabber. If you use the F/M/T's spells to complement his backstabbing (mirror image, improved invisibility), then I think you need to stick with the F/M/T. If you only use the F/M/T as a backup mage and prefer to focus on archery and simple backstabs the F/T is definitely better in those functions. Personally I'm with ZFR - I prefer the thief/illusionist over the fighter/thief and the fighter/mage/thief. But then I'm a sucker for the killer saving throw bonuses, and don't like to backstab. [ 01-06-2006, 06:18 AM: Message edited by: ister ] __________________ \" Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.\"<br />JFK

01-06-2006, 05:23 PM	#10
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 48 Posts: 1,516	Just curious here: How many people have actually themselves tried a FMT in a full party? IME, it's not nearly as bad as most think it is! They make awesome archers (DEX 19, +1 to hit w/ Bows) and if you keep them out of melee, they are just awesome. You don't run into the problems of not finding enough scrolls since the mage level is nerfed, and you don't ever have a problem with thieving. __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

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