New Sniper fall out

[John D Harris]

Well it looks like I'm about to step into it BIG TIME
I think the hunting ban is unreasonable.
1) The sniper has been shooting in populated area, Metropolition (sp?) areas Lots of people.
2)Hunters hunt in rural areas, lots of furry little critters, not many people.

[ 10-16-2002, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by *\Conan/*: Sad thing is the only news we got from our Gov is a huge budget crunch Majik. Many social jobs and operation hours cut back ): Nothing about this subject at all. The 6 bucks are nothing for individuals but very well used in the the State's conservation programs for fish and game. I'm sure 99% of the them will go along with this temp status. I think it's all small game up until November, except for bow hunters. Did you guys know that there is more deer, fish, and wild game in this country then when the settlers founded it?. I was doing jumping jacks in front of the gas pump yesterday, also went to the Home Depot in broad daylight. Gonna live my life everyday [img]smile.gif[/img] Oh, John D.- the air patrol is here

Glad to see that the air patrol is alowed, the way the Gov't works sometimes it wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't alow any flights.

[Ladyzekke]

Originally posted by John D Harris: Well it looks like I'm about to step into it BIG TIME I think the hunting ban is unreasonable. 1) The sniper has been shooting in populated area, Metropolition (sp?) areas Lots of people. 2)Hunters hunt in rural areas, lots of furry little critters, not many people.

Nobody's gonna beat you over the head for saying that Mr. Harris LOL. Yes, you have a point. Hard to tell though where those "shots fired" calls originated from, lots of areas with woods that the sniper hasn't even visited yet, but again, with his randomness re his attack areas, I'm sure all sorts of people that live in "country" areas freak out when they hear a sound like a gunshot.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by ladyzekke: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Well it looks like I'm about to step into it BIG TIME I think the hunting ban is unreasonable. 1) The sniper has been shooting in populated area, Metropolition (sp?) areas Lots of people. 2)Hunters hunt in rural areas, lots of furry little critters, not many people.

Nobody's gonna beat you over the head for saying that Mr. Harris LOL. Yes, you have a point. Hard to tell though where those "shots fired" calls originated from, lots of areas with woods that the sniper hasn't even visited yet, but again, with his randomness re his attack areas, I'm sure all sorts of people that live in "country" areas freak out when they hear a sound like a gunshot.[/QUOTE]Miss Ladyzekke Ma'am, Thanks I guess that means I can take off my Hard hat

[True_Moose]

This seems to me to be a bit like closing the gate after the horse has bolted (I knew that someday I would use that metaphor )

People shouldn't honestly be close enough to someone hunting to be worried by the shot. It would be much more effective, as an anti-scare tactic, to try and get people to avoid their engines backfiring, and a ban on firecrackers or something. After all, if there's some nutcase in a bank, what are the police gonna do? Possibly fire their guns. If it scares someone, tough cookies.

Since they have implemented this policy though, I believe they should get their money back, UNLESS the government can come up with an alternative.

My theory:
No money back.
If, halfway through the hunting season, or whatever, you still can't hunt, you get your license free next year.
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[Cerek the Barbaric]

Well, our esteemed Mr. Harris beat me to the punch on this one. And that is the fact that - to my knowledge - NONE of the sniper attacks have taken place in rural areas. This guy is specifically "hunting" in metro areas.

Secondly, how many victims were shot in Maryland? (I'm asking because I honostly don't know the breakdown of the locations of the shootings). For the state of Maryland to "ban hunting" in order to keep from "scaring people" sounds like an extremely "over-the-top" reaction to me. As far as I've seen, there is just NO evidence to support their theory that the sniper will attack at a little gas station or country store out in the "boonies".

He is getting his pleasure from disrupting the lives of as many people as possible. He likes "hunting" people in their natural environment, and he gets the added thrill of becoming the "hunted" immediately after a kill. The guy is on a serious power/thrill trip. The only way to continue the thrill is to keep killing in highly populated areas, where there is always the "risk" of being caught.

Again, this brings us back to how "effective" the ban on hunting will really be. I certainly understand the fear people must be feeling. One of my best friends lived in Falls Church, VA for many years. Still, DC and Virginia have NOT issued such bans, even though they are FAR more likely to suffer the attacks.

Maryland should ABSOLUTELY refund the money - OR use the money for wildlife and fish conservation efforts...and then give the license for free next year (Good idea, Attalus [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] )

[Sir Kenyth]

Originally posted by MagiK: Morons showed an AK-47 on tv describing this as the possible weapon...they don't chamber the 47 in .223 sheesh.

This is a good thing to remember when watching the news. Most news people are not experts on what they report and may even be completely ignorant of it! They are hired for their looks and their ability to read from a teleprompter or improvise dialogue with accuracy and emotion. They are high paid parrots. A broad knowledge base of the material being reported on is not required. This ignorance in the reporting entities and the populus in general, is why the media is so potentially easy to manipulate. It's also why you should take what you read or hear from your average reporter with a grain of salt. This is not to say that it's wrong for reporters to work like this. Trying to get good looking geniuses with Doctorates in all subject matter to take reporting jobs is a lot harder than it seems, I'm sure. Some would do better to do at least a little research before airing though. Or at least consult with someone who will do it for them.

[Timber Loftis]

Are you sure it was an AK47? I heard they suspect the shooter is using an AK74, which fires a .223 round that is longer than the one common to NATO. I don't remember what an AK74 looks like, maybe like the 47?

And you're right - the AK47 fires a 7.63 round - again, different than NATOs.
Plus they don't shoot very straight. Which has me wondering about the news that they suspect him to be using an AK74. Does anyone out there know how accurate the 74 is?

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Are you sure it was an AK47? I heard they suspect the shooter is using an AK74, which fires a .223 round that is longer than the one common to NATO. I don't remember what an AK74 looks like, maybe like the 47? And you're right - the AK47 fires a 7.63 round - again, different than NATOs. Plus they don't shoot very straight. Which has me wondering about the news that they suspect him to be using an AK74. Does anyone out there know how accurate the 74 is?

My dad and I were just talking about that and he asked the same question, and I am pretty sure they showed the 47 andnot the 74 because I thought the 74 only had synthetic grips, but I recently learned that some are produced with the same beat up old wooden grips..so I may have been wrong...so it is possible it was a 74 which is a 5.45mm round which I guess works out to something close to a .223

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Are you sure it was an AK47? I heard they suspect the shooter is using an AK74, which fires a .223 round that is longer than the one common to NATO. I don't remember what an AK74 looks like, maybe like the 47? And you're right - the AK47 fires a 7.63 round - again, different than NATOs. Plus they don't shoot very straight. Which has me wondering about the news that they suspect him to be using an AK74. Does anyone out there know how accurate the 74 is?

My dad and I were just talking about that and he asked the same question, and I am pretty sure they showed the 47 andnot the 74 because I thought the 74 only had synthetic grips, but I recently learned that some are produced with the same beat up old wooden grips..so I may have been wrong...so it is possible it was a 74 which is a 5.45mm round which I guess works out to something close to a .223

On the other hand [img]smile.gif[/img] I did have some vindication today. The FBI weapons expert said on the air that the .223 is NOT considered a "sniper" round and that the most popular of all true sniper calibre's is the .308, with the 7mm Magnum running a close second. [img]smile.gif[/img] (umm those stats are for western nations and not the old Soviet, middle east or Asia.)[/QUOTE]