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Old 12-20-2009, 09:33 PM   #61
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On a different note, I am also very happy about this law preventing banks from charging overdraft fees anymore. Thank god. That was a scam in itself, where your online bank would deceive you into thinking you had more cash than you did, then point you to the small print saying it takes 1 week to update. I once went $200 overdraft in fees alone simply because I was led to believe I had $40 left when I had nothing. The fees are $30 a pop, so if you bought lets say, a pack of gum for 60c, then you'd pay $30. When you imagine yourself buying multiple small things during the day (lunch, drinks, etc.) you can see how quickly this can become a problem.
Technology is great isn't it? That's why I do not trust it. Call me old and leery, but my math skills conjoined with a writing stick, tablet, and checkbook has proven successful for 32 years now. It reminds me of an old sage adage, "if'n it ain't broke, don't be trying to fix it"! Goes for a few things this administration is working on...
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Old 12-20-2009, 11:52 PM   #62
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Reform my ass. From what I gather it's more like the fearmongerific power-grab Cerek was talking about, but instead of Darth Cheney it's the Insurance industry and instead of part of a unrealistic rant, it's real. Coming soon to a President's desk near you....

No new cap on profits, new tax breaks, every citizen is a mandatory customer, I'd call that ****ing fabulous! (if I were an insurance executive)
Yes, I didn't realized the mandatory insurance law was still in there until I read it 2 days ago. So, what's the point in having mandatory insurance if I can't get the government "cheap" plan? Yes, they put many restrictions on shady insurance practices, but they just brought them millions more customers by forcing them to be insured - so it still balances out for them. Something needs to be modified. Now, I am reading that there will be "help" for those who live under their means and exemption for those who live even more under their means, but still, I amn't thrilled. If they took the SP option out why in gods name did they leave the mandatory claus in there? I don't get it.

Anyone got a link to the current health bill as it stands TODAY? There's so many floating around, at least 3 on the white house site. Please, no political links, just the bill.
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Old 12-20-2009, 11:55 PM   #63
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Technology is great isn't it? That's why I do not trust it. Call me old and leery, but my math skills conjoined with a writing stick, tablet, and checkbook has proven successful for 32 years now. It reminds me of an old sage adage, "if'n it ain't broke, don't be trying to fix it"! Goes for a few things this administration is working on...
That's what they fall back on when you complain. But then, why have I website that claims to do the tracking for you, when it doesn't. I have no problem scrawling on a tablet or on a notepad, but why even have online banking if it isn't accurate?
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:22 AM   #64
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Well, now this is just becoming more political copying/pasting. Hey, you may want to quote your source btw since there's a copywright explicitly put at the end of that article and on the end of each part of it.

It is none other than our very own Ann Coulter!

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/...gi?article=326

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The fact that people like you disregard the information because of the source without bothering with the validity of the information is why I didn't source the article. I'd like to see you dispute ANY of the facts brought up.
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:50 AM   #65
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On a different note, I am also very happy about this law preventing banks from charging overdraft fees anymore. Thank god. That was a scam in itself, where your online bank would deceive you into thinking you had more cash than you did, then point you to the small print saying it takes 1 week to update. I once went $200 overdraft in fees alone simply because I was led to believe I had $40 left when I had nothing. The fees are $30 a pop, so if you bought lets say, a pack of gum for 60c, then you'd pay $30. When you imagine yourself buying multiple small things during the day (lunch, drinks, etc.) you can see how quickly this can become a problem.
Data from Moebs Services which recently appeared in the FT shows that US banks will collect roughly $38 billion in overdraft penalties link.

Around here Convenience stores have also started using no-fee ATM's, which, after watching average ATM fees go from $1.50-$2.50 to $3.50+ in the wake of bank failures last year, is quite a relief. (As I said, average fees. In tourist areas, airports, amusement parks, etc. $5-6 isn't uncommon)
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:38 AM   #66
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My apologies. Here are your exact words:

"Yep we are all entitled to and people with more may ought to want to give to those with less because of another another Human value, Charity."

That was a little difficult to fully understand (I'm not sure if you meant "to" or "too"), so I shortened it to...

"people with more ought to want to give to those with less".

Looking at them side-by-side (so to speak), I still don't see any significant difference between the two statements.

Either way it doesn't say " I think charitible giving should
be mandatory" but I can tell by your responses you really wanted it to say that.

In fact I suspect you were looking for any opening to make any contentious point so you could rant about socialism and make personal attacks about being on a soapbox. History repeats itself again.
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:43 AM   #67
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Yes, I didn't realized the mandatory insurance law was still in there until I read it 2 days ago. So, what's the point in having mandatory insurance if I can't get the government "cheap" plan? Yes, they put many restrictions on shady insurance practices, but they just brought them millions more customers by forcing them to be insured - so it still balances out for them. Something needs to be modified. Now, I am reading that there will be "help" for those who live under their means and exemption for those who live even more under their means, but still, I amn't thrilled. If they took the SP option out why in gods name did they leave the mandatory claus in there? I don't get it.

Anyone got a link to the current health bill as it stands TODAY? There's so many floating around, at least 3 on the white house site. Please, no political links, just the bill.
Instead of a public plan, a new private non-profit plan is in the bill but it's run by the goverment. WTFWTFWTF!!!!


We are going to essentially pay a tax to a private industry for a public service.


No reduction of beauracracy that I can find.

I too would love to see decent comprehensive cliff notes of the bill, minus politcal rhetoric. I'm sure there is more astonishing stuff to find.
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:00 AM   #68
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Oh, I'm sure everyone posting here is aware, but the bill isn't dead by any means, Ben Nelson was bought off(restrictions on physician owned hospitals was lifted for Nebraska and the Federal Gov't will fully fund MedicAid in that state - the Abortion language he was opposed to was left in) and in a late night vote last night/this morning another procedural vote was passed, 60 votes, at 1AM. 2 more votes IIRC before it can go to the house/senate committee to resolve differences and it going up to the Prez.
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:27 AM   #69
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Either way it doesn't say " I think charitible giving should
be mandatory" but I can tell by your responses you really wanted it to say that.

In fact I suspect you were looking for any opening to make any contentious point so you could rant about socialism and make personal attacks about being on a soapbox. History repeats itself again.
Yes, Chewie, history does repeat itself.

You take personal offense when I disagree with you and claim I am deliberately looking for any reason to disagree with or attack you. That is not true. I don't disagree with you because I dislike you, I just don't agree with your particular POV on most subjects. I have a r/l friend that I disagree with as much, if not more, on politics and religion, yet we manage to remain good friends despite our personal differences. Sometimes we snipe at each other, but we both get over it.

Your original post had an overly pious tone, implying that anyone who did not agree with universal healthcare also had no concept of mercy, compassion, charity or community. I apologize if I misinterpreted that, but if you go back and read it objectively, you do seem to be saying that people who have more but don't want to share with those who have less are just really bad people. My comment about you putting yourself on a pedestal was a reaction to that.

And, even though I described universal healthcare as a socialistic concept (because it is), I also explained very clearly that socialism itself is not necessarily bad or good.
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Old 12-21-2009, 01:06 PM   #70
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Simple tactic really Cerek, taking umbrage allows one to end discussion by derailing it into a "You're mean to me" hissy fit.
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