Best Theif?-----ossible spoiler

Maximus decimus · 08-23-2002, 06:27 PM

i was wondering which was the best theif npc you can have. I had Yoshimo however after he betrayed me and i killed him i had to use Imoen (who i found useless). Im currently using jan jansen and i was wondering if there is any better thieves out there

Warby · 08-23-2002, 06:34 PM

Stick with jan. I always use him either with Nalia or Edwin. He's basically a good mage to back up you main one and also is very good at detecting traps and dissarming them. I've never bothered with Imoem and Yoshimo for the reasons your said above. Apart from being a thief yourself (Although Assasin is the only kit worth using) Jans your only safe bet. He might die a bit later when you face the the bigger bad guys but aslong as you keep a few ressurection spells or the rod or ressurection spell handy your ok.

Warby

andrewas · 08-23-2002, 06:35 PM

HI welcome to IW. There are four theives, and in the order of usefulness:

Imoen is *not* useless. OK, shed be better if bioware hadnt severely short-changed her (she was much better near the end of BG1, but bioware saw fit to redistribute her levels to fit a minor plot point). Still, she is more than adequate to finish the game with.

Jan I dont know about, but he is the only theif that can level up so I suppose hes almost as good as imoen. Ok, technicaly hes better as a thief but I prefer my mages to kick serious butt, wich takes far to long for a multiclass.

Nalia however is useless as a theif, but can just about manage for a short spell if the traps and locks arent to hard. Useful when imoen accidently stops more firepower than she can handle. And shes the best of the good NPC mages avaiable, with only Edwin being more powerful.

Yoshi would be the best, but he has his own issues. Like that geas. Take him to spellhold with you though, otherwise if you have a party of six someone gets trapped.

SixOfSpades · 08-23-2002, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrewas:
Imoen is *not* useless. OK, shed be better if bioware hadnt severely short-changed her (she was much better near the end of BG1, but bioware saw fit to redistribute her levels to fit a minor plot point). Still, she is more than adequate to finish the game with.

Personally, I disagree. It seems that BioWare's intention was to screw you over regarding Imoen: You finish BG1 with a Level 10 Thief, who has 100% in Find Traps, Open Locks, and Stealth. Then you get slammed with a Level 7 Thief who doesn't have 100% in anything, cannot change that fact, and didn't even bother to take the Swashbuckler kit, even though it's obviously right for her character, both for powergaming AND roleplaying. In order to be useful, Imoen has to drag around the Ring of Danger Sense for the entire game, or at least until you get to the Marching Mountains. Compare her to Jan: Except for his lack of Abi-Dalzim's, he's almost every bit as good a Mage, and in ToB, I could put him in Backstab mode with an AC of -12. Let's see Imoen do that.

Imoen is my #1 Most Frequently Hacked character: Either I hack her back to a pureclass Swashbuckler (who can Dual to Mage at some later time), or I hack her Thieving points to more closely resemble her setup at the end of BG1.

Arwyn the Betrayer · 08-24-2002, 05:26 PM

Best thief is Jan Janssen.
You can't go wrong with turnips.

PAPS · 08-24-2002, 06:41 PM

After Yoshimo betray's you... you really don't need a thief at all. i beat the game just fine with out one... just using my strength to pry open chests... i would'nt even use one.

Hecate · 08-26-2002, 08:04 AM

I liked Valen, but she's only accessible if you side with Bodhi and install the Valen mod. Having a vampire/thief gives her great butt kicking abilities in the dungeon crawls but her thief skills are as good as Jan's. Only thing is she's not much of a conversationalist.

Zarr · 08-26-2002, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arwyn the Betrayer:
Best thief is Jan Janssen.
You can't go wrong with turnips.

I second that Jan is the way to go.

SecretMaster · 08-26-2002, 10:04 AM

Jan is the best (or your own) because he's the only thief that can level up who stays with you till the end of ToB. Plus his cool armor gives him some great bonuses.

Fiend · 08-27-2002, 10:14 AM

Jan is the best thief in the game as he is the only one who can get the high-level thief special abilities.
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08-23-2002, 06:35 PM	#3
andrewas Harper Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Age: 42 Posts: 4,774	HI welcome to IW. There are four theives, and in the order of usefulness: Imoen is not useless. OK, shed be better if bioware hadnt severely short-changed her (she was much better near the end of BG1, but bioware saw fit to redistribute her levels to fit a minor plot point). Still, she is more than adequate to finish the game with. Jan I dont know about, but he is the only theif that can level up so I suppose hes almost as good as imoen. Ok, technicaly hes better as a thief but I prefer my mages to kick serious butt, wich takes far to long for a multiclass. Nalia however is useless as a theif, but can just about manage for a short spell if the traps and locks arent to hard. Useful when imoen accidently stops more firepower than she can handle. And shes the best of the good NPC mages avaiable, with only Edwin being more powerful. Yoshi would be the best, but he has his own issues. Like that geas. Take him to spellhold with you though, otherwise if you have a party of six someone gets trapped. __________________ [img]\"http://www.sighost.us/members/Zvijer/andrewas.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

08-27-2002, 10:14 AM	#10
Fiend Manshoon Join Date: July 7, 2002 Location: the land that time forgot(Scotland) Age: 37 Posts: 215	Jan is the best thief in the game as he is the only one who can get the high-level thief special abilities. ------------ [img]graemlins/diablo.gif[/img] __________________ <br />Demogorgan\'s Daddy <br />Bhaal\'s Personal Tormentor

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08-23-2002, 06:27 PM	#1
Maximus decimus Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: August 23, 2002 Location: England Age: 38 Posts: 8	i was wondering which was the best theif npc you can have. I had Yoshimo however after he betrayed me and i killed him i had to use Imoen (who i found useless). Im currently using jan jansen and i was wondering if there is any better thieves out there

08-23-2002, 06:34 PM	#2
Warby Zhentarim Guard Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: England Age: 39 Posts: 345	Stick with jan. I always use him either with Nalia or Edwin. He's basically a good mage to back up you main one and also is very good at detecting traps and dissarming them. I've never bothered with Imoem and Yoshimo for the reasons your said above. Apart from being a thief yourself (Although Assasin is the only kit worth using) Jans your only safe bet. He might die a bit later when you face the the bigger bad guys but aslong as you keep a few ressurection spells or the rod or ressurection spell handy your ok. Warby

08-24-2002, 05:26 PM	#5
Arwyn the Betrayer Manshoon Join Date: July 5, 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 162	Best thief is Jan Janssen. You can't go wrong with turnips.

08-24-2002, 06:41 PM	#6
PAPS Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: July 27, 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 25	After Yoshimo betray's you... you really don't need a thief at all. i beat the game just fine with out one... just using my strength to pry open chests... i would'nt even use one.

08-26-2002, 08:04 AM	#7
Hecate The Magister Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: USA Age: 44 Posts: 140	I liked Valen, but she's only accessible if you side with Bodhi and install the Valen mod. Having a vampire/thief gives her great butt kicking abilities in the dungeon crawls but her thief skills are as good as Jan's. Only thing is she's not much of a conversationalist.

08-26-2002, 10:04 AM	#9
SecretMaster Apophis Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: New York Age: 37 Posts: 4,666	Jan is the best (or your own) because he's the only thief that can level up who stays with you till the end of ToB. Plus his cool armor gives him some great bonuses.

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