Cloak of non detection

Helspanth · 02-15-2002, 01:35 PM

Has anybody ever found a use for this damned cloack????? [img]graemlins/madhell.gif[/img]
I mean every time one casts true sight they see me,fiends see me,dragons see me.
And they call it NON DETECTION????!!!!!!

Nifft the Nimble · 02-15-2002, 01:41 PM

Non-Detection prevents anyone from dispelling your invisibility. Of course, you need to be invisible by some other means. Some creatures can see invisible and ignore both your invisibility and your non-detection -- that's because they're not dispelling your invisibility, they're seeing you in spite of it.

-- Nifft

Azred · 02-15-2002, 01:49 PM

Mine seems to work just fine. Of course, I made one or two slight alterations to make sure it really is a Cloak of Non-Detection. Oh, well. [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img]

Beaumanoir · 02-15-2002, 04:02 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nifft the Nimble:
Non-Detection prevents anyone from dispelling your invisibility. Of course, you need to be invisible by some other means. Some creatures can see invisible and ignore both your invisibility and your non-detection -- that's because they're not dispelling your invisibility, they're seeing you in spite of it.

-- Nifft

Aah, I Never Knew It Did That Anyway!! I Sell The Cloak Whenever I Find It!!

Helspanth · 02-15-2002, 05:35 PM

Yes I know that you must be invisible to have an effect.
The problem is that even when my assassin is hidden in shadows a true sight spell reveals him.
@azred
what alterations?

PeeWee · 02-15-2002, 11:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Helspanth:
Yes I know that you must be invisible to have an effect.
The problem is that even when my assassin is hidden in shadows a true sight spell reveals him.
@azred
what alterations?

I remember reading a more detailed thread about this cloak some days ago. All I remember is that the cloak supercedes the powers of the actual spell. You can't knock off the cloak effect but anything it's trying to protect "can" be knocked off to put it rather vaguely.

So the hide in shadows will be "dispelled" once true sight is cast...but if you hide again and it's successful, another true sight will be needed to "dispell" your hide again. Without the cloak, I believe you are still detected from your presence and not actually them seeing you. I can't explain it better but someone else has and I've tried looking for the information to no avail.

That's why in the sewers now, I let the mage wear it in combination with the staff of magi. Insta-click re-invis/cloak seems to work alot better than hide in shadows/cloak. I'm still going thru the area multiple times however and this isn't concrete information.
I'ts just one of the explanations I can give/read about. I won't even bring up the walk silently part and how that can break invisibility for rogues while other characters with invis don't seem to have a walk silently skill yet can pass the same area that was giving the rogue difficulty.

Azred · 02-16-2002, 09:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Helspanth:
@azred
what alterations?

The wearer of my cloak is immune to the effects "dispel invisibility" and "true sight"; those op-codes don't work against the wearer.

Helspanth · 02-16-2002, 01:32 PM

And perhaps you would like to share your wisdom?
I mean that cloack could have been so good and it is a total loss!

Aurican · 02-16-2002, 09:10 PM

I don't understand the problem with the cloak. I use it on my ranger and I'm never detected if in stealth mode, even with true sight or dispel invisibilty. The only creatures that can see me are higher beings like dragons, demons, liches and such.

02-15-2002, 01:35 PM	#1
Helspanth Quintesson Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Thessaloniki,Hellas Age: 42 Posts: 1,050	Has anybody ever found a use for this damned cloack????? [img]graemlins/madhell.gif[/img] I mean every time one casts true sight they see me,fiends see me,dragons see me. And they call it NON DETECTION????!!!!!! __________________ \"Sorrow is the future tense of love\"

02-15-2002, 01:49 PM	#3
Azred Drow Priestess Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: a hidden sanctorum high above the metroplex Age: 54 Posts: 4,037	Mine seems to work just fine. Of course, I made one or two slight alterations to make sure it really is a Cloak of Non-Detection. Oh, well. [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img] __________________ Everything may be explained by a conspiracy theory. All conspiracy theories are true. No matter how thinly you slice it, it's still bologna.

02-15-2002, 04:02 PM	#4
Beaumanoir Iron Throne Cult Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: There is no IRL, Only AFK. Age: 35 Posts: 4,896	quote: Originally posted by Nifft the Nimble: Non-Detection prevents anyone from dispelling your invisibility. Of course, you need to be invisible by some other means. Some creatures can see invisible and ignore both your invisibility and your non-detection -- that's because they're not dispelling your invisibility, they're seeing you in spite of it. -- Nifft Aah, I Never Knew It Did That Anyway!! I Sell The Cloak Whenever I Find It!! __________________ My pokemon bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like; you wanna trade cards? Damn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my Charizard.

02-15-2002, 05:35 PM	#5
Helspanth Quintesson Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Thessaloniki,Hellas Age: 42 Posts: 1,050	Yes I know that you must be invisible to have an effect. The problem is that even when my assassin is hidden in shadows a true sight spell reveals him. @azred what alterations? __________________ \"Sorrow is the future tense of love\"

02-15-2002, 11:10 PM	#6
PeeWee Manshoon Join Date: January 25, 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 216	quote: Originally posted by Helspanth: Yes I know that you must be invisible to have an effect. The problem is that even when my assassin is hidden in shadows a true sight spell reveals him. @azred what alterations? I remember reading a more detailed thread about this cloak some days ago. All I remember is that the cloak supercedes the powers of the actual spell. You can't knock off the cloak effect but anything it's trying to protect "can" be knocked off to put it rather vaguely. So the hide in shadows will be "dispelled" once true sight is cast...but if you hide again and it's successful, another true sight will be needed to "dispell" your hide again. Without the cloak, I believe you are still detected from your presence and not actually them seeing you. I can't explain it better but someone else has and I've tried looking for the information to no avail. That's why in the sewers now, I let the mage wear it in combination with the staff of magi. Insta-click re-invis/cloak seems to work alot better than hide in shadows/cloak. I'm still going thru the area multiple times however and this isn't concrete information. I'ts just one of the explanations I can give/read about. I won't even bring up the walk silently part and how that can break invisibility for rogues while other characters with invis don't seem to have a walk silently skill yet can pass the same area that was giving the rogue difficulty. __________________ <i>just,</i><p><b>PeeWee</b><br />

02-15-2002, 01:41 PM	#2
Nifft the Nimble Avatar Join Date: October 4, 2001 Location: NYC Forever! Age: 49 Posts: 520	Non-Detection prevents anyone from dispelling your invisibility. Of course, you need to be invisible by some other means. Some creatures can see invisible and ignore both your invisibility and your non-detection -- that's because they're not dispelling your invisibility, they're seeing you in spite of it. -- Nifft

02-16-2002, 09:53 AM	#7
Azred Drow Priestess Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: a hidden sanctorum high above the metroplex Age: 54 Posts: 4,037	quote: Originally posted by Helspanth: @azred what alterations? The wearer of my cloak is immune to the effects "dispel invisibility" and "true sight"; those op-codes don't work against the wearer. __________________ Everything may be explained by a conspiracy theory. All conspiracy theories are true. No matter how thinly you slice it, it's still bologna.

02-16-2002, 01:32 PM	#8
Helspanth Quintesson Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Thessaloniki,Hellas Age: 42 Posts: 1,050	And perhaps you would like to share your wisdom? I mean that cloack could have been so good and it is a total loss! __________________ \"Sorrow is the future tense of love\"

02-16-2002, 09:10 PM	#9
Aurican Elminster Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina Age: 42 Posts: 470	I don't understand the problem with the cloak. I use it on my ranger and I'm never detected if in stealth mode, even with true sight or dispel invisibilty. The only creatures that can see me are higher beings like dragons, demons, liches and such.

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