WoT: Aiel or Warders?

[Prime2U]

Originally posted by Lifetime: With the Sword, Rand is supposed to be able to match Lan, because Lan now views him as an equal and a dangerous man. But Lan's never been in combat with ANYONE but those he's defeated, like Trollocs and Halfmen. The last time he fought Rand was while he was still schooling him on sword techniques..So when it comes down to it, Mat beats Galad and Gawyn, survives a Gholam, and therefore can take on 4-5 borderlanders easily(which is what Galad could do alone). And thus Mat is somehow better at the spear than a race of people who use nothing but spears and bows, the Aiel. So where does this talk about the Aiel being one-man-armies?

Hmmm Lan regards Rand as a blademaster, yes. But we've seen Rand being beaten with the sword by Forsaken Blademasters. Dangerous, of course, but Lan is taking in the fact that Rand can use the One Power. And even without, Rand is a fine swordsman, on galad's level. But Lan is arguably the finest blademaster ever seen. his life has been devoted to defeating the shadow that took over his home. He learned swordplay from the finest in the borderlands as a child and practiced ever since, unlike Rand who has spent all of what, 3 years? practicing. In a sword only battle, Lan would defeat him.

One Aiel could easily take on several soldiers in any army east of the Spine. warders are not a normal soldier. One on one, Aiel against warder, I think that the Aiel would win slightly more often than he/she lost. There are exceptions on both sides. However, witness Mat Cauthon (who I continue to hold as the best warrior when one power is not factored in) in battles against Galad and Gawyn at once while sick, and they are two of the best among the warders, and alone against Couladin, where he took injuries even though he was healthy. both warders and Aiel are deadly against common soldiers, but among themselves they have exeptional people.

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[Lifetime]

Interesting stuff Prime2U!
So in a WoT Grudgematch, Mat vs Lan, who takes the other's head?

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[MILAMBER]

Excellent points in the last post Prime2U, and I am beginning to come around to your reasoning. I really do think that Rand could defeat Galad though.

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[Prime2U]

Originally posted by Lifetime: Interesting stuff Prime2U! So in a WoT Grudgematch, Mat vs Lan, who takes the other's head?

Wow, that would be a battle! I'm going to go with Mat though, for the simple reason that luck is the final determinant in any battle, and as we all know, Mat always has an unnatural amount of luck on his side

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[Prime2U]

Originally posted by MILAMBER: Excellent points in the last post Prime2U, and I am beginning to come around to your reasoning. I really do think that Rand could defeat Galad though.

I think That Rand would probably defeat Galad too. But it would be a long, drawn out, very close battle. In fact, I see it coming in the books in the future.

Galad is Rand's half brother, and Rand knows this now. Galad doesn't, and Galad pretty much hates Rand. Eventually they will meet, and when they do i think there will be a battle. In the end, Rand will either triumph without killing Galad or else it will be a draw. Then Galad and he will talk and Galad will end up if not on his side then at least no longer hating him. I'm not sure if Galad and Berelain are together before this and that influences things, or if the two meet after this happens though. Mind you, this is all conjecture on my part

That's it! I'm going to go back and reread the whole series! (It's been a while as I read them as soon as published)

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[Lifetime]

Originally posted by Prime2U: I think That Rand would probably defeat Galad too. But it would be a long, drawn out, very close battle. In fact, I see it coming in the books in the future. Galad is Rand's half brother, and Rand knows this now. Galad doesn't, and Galad pretty much hates Rand. Eventually they will meet, and when they do i think there will be a battle. In the end, Rand will either triumph without killing Galad or else it will be a draw. Then Galad and he will talk and Galad will end up if not on his side then at least no longer hating him. I'm not sure if Galad and Berelain are together before this and that influences things, or if the two meet after this happens though. Mind you, this is all conjecture on my part

I'm thinking this is true too. Gawyn hates Rand too, but he's sworn never to harm him to Egwene. Galad and Gawyn both believe that Rand killed their mother, and Galad thinks that Rand's influence led Elayne and Egwene away from their safety in the White Tower (because they were drawn to help him as well as help the rebels). Galad's in with the Children of the Light because of the White Tower, and because of Rand, because of his experience with people using the power..
pretty interesting.

And its funny how Galad is a Damodred..and Rand too I believe, by their mother who was Cairheinian (correct me if I'm wrong)..so that basically makes them related to Moiraine!

Prime2U.. Mat takes Lan heh? But Lan has a big sword! And age! And the help, bond and love of the most powerful Aes Sedai in recent history!

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[Prime2U]

Originally posted by Lifetime: And its funny how Galad is a Damodred..and Rand too I believe, by their mother who was Cairheinian (correct me if I'm wrong)..so that basically makes them related to Moiraine! Prime2U.. Mat takes Lan heh? But Lan has a big sword! And age! And the help, bond and love of the most powerful Aes Sedai in recent history!

hmm Nope their mother was Taringail, daughter heir of andor.

Nynaeve isn't bonded to Lan. And we're talkin one on one. Lan's age is good for experience, but Mat has more experience through his memories than anyone, plus the agility of youth. and he has an ashaderi sword-spear with more reach and a power forged blade himself.


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[Lifetime]

Hmm.. a sword-spear skewers Lan the last of the Malkeri, greatest warder ever. Cool

And I thought that Rand and Galad's real mother married a Carheinian Damodred. Galad's last name is the same as Moiraine's!

Anyone else with opinions on Mat and Lan?
What about this one..

Lan against Galad

Experience or Talent?


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[Prime2U]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lifetime:
Hmm.. a sword-spear skewers Lan the last of the Malkeri, greatest warder ever. Cool


And I thought that Rand and Galad's real mother married a Carheinian Damodred. Galad's last name is the same as Moiraine's!


Anyone else with opinions on Mat and Lan?
What about this one..


Lan against Galad


Experience or Talent?


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Galad and Rand's mom was Tigraine, daughter heir of Andor. She married what's his name Damodred. They had Galad. Then she ran off after a viewing by an Aes Sedai to the Aiel waste. Hooked up with Rand's dad, a very powerful Aiel chieftan. Went to war with him against Laman. Gave birth to Rand on Dragonmount while she was there at war, and died in childbirth. So Galad is a Damodred, and a cousin of Moiraine sort of. Rand is a very distant cousin of Elayne, and actually probably has more royal blood than she does where Andor is concerned. So they both have the blood of andor, but Rand has no Damodred in him.