Darwin and the evolutionary theory

ZaRos · 11-06-2003, 06:59 PM

Did God create us? or did we evolve from single celled organisms?

Timber Loftis · 11-06-2003, 07:12 PM

I said some other way. I believe in evolution -- I even believe all the elements on the planet came from a select few that were steeped in plasma and electrical storms for eons. But, I didn't say "Darwin" because he certainly believed in God, and believed in a certain imposed "order" on the system, which we now know to be quite random.

cloud ff7 38 · 11-07-2003, 10:10 AM

I believe in no creation nor religion atheist all the way...
but seriously I believe in no creation theroy until i get concrete evidence.
Either that or choc created us all [img]smile.gif[/img]

ZaRos · 11-07-2003, 10:22 PM

HEHEHEHEHEHE... Made big mistake in the poll.... Where it says "natures way" it should have said "by god" or something... DOH!!!

Firestormalpha · 11-08-2003, 12:19 AM

Well, I said other way. My personal view? Humans have been humans always. Until someone can prove otherwise, say in a concrete example of speciation occuring in our current time, that's how I'm sticking. Also, the idea of evolution (at least in my opinion) has so many variables that it could only occur if there were an outside sentient force to guide the process.

P.S. as far as Darwin's theory of evolution? Scientists have already scrapped that one. They made a new one and still call it evolution but the definition of the theory is slightly different. Besides, he renounced his theory on his deathbed IIRC.

catzenpewters · 11-25-2003, 04:22 PM

I don't think evolution and religion are necessarily at odds here. There seems reasonable proof that humans did evolve at least a certain amount, be it all the way from pond scum (big change here??) or just from primitive man. But why could a god not have initiated and directed such an evolution? I can't imagine Adam and Eve as Cromagnons, so I see the whole garden of Eden thing as more along the lines of a parable - much of the Bible is done this way. After all, explaining evolution to people 2,000+ years ago simply would not have worked. So my vote is both religion and evolution.

dplax · 11-25-2003, 04:27 PM

I would say Darwin's way.

Svaerdhelgon · 11-25-2003, 04:34 PM

Well I tend to agree with the Evolutionary Theory more than the religious one because of me being an atheist,it just makes more sense to me.

ZaRos · 11-25-2003, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Firestormalpha:
Well, I said other way. My personal view? Humans have been humans always. Until someone can prove otherwise, say in a concrete example of speciation occuring in our current time, that's how I'm sticking. Also, the idea of evolution (at least in my opinion) has so many variables that it could only occur if there were an outside sentient force to guide the process.

It is actually quite easy to prove that human kind has evolved during the last century.
E.g. the average height has increased 20 cm during the last 50 years (anyway in the western countries) and the average iq has increased quite a lot during the same period of time (can’t remember how much).

Firestormalpha · 11-25-2003, 09:51 PM

Zaros, when I think of evolution I think of the process scientist usually describe as speciation. The changing of one species into a different species. True, minor physical changes even some major ones have occurred but the scientists have yet to declare a new species due to such changes.

View Poll Results: Darwin and the evolutionary theory
Darwin's way	19	63.33%
natures way	7	23.33%
some other way (would like explaining post)	4	13.33%
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11-06-2003, 06:59 PM	#1
ZaRos Dungeon Master Join Date: October 30, 2003 Location: denmark Age: 43 Posts: 80	Did God create us? or did we evolve from single celled organisms? __________________ But — as Jean-Paul Sartre almost said — forget recycled urine; true hell is other people <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Smile]\" src=\"smile.gif\" />

11-06-2003, 07:12 PM	#2
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	I said some other way. I believe in evolution -- I even believe all the elements on the planet came from a select few that were steeped in plasma and electrical storms for eons. But, I didn't say "Darwin" because he certainly believed in God, and believed in a certain imposed "order" on the system, which we now know to be quite random. __________________

11-07-2003, 10:22 PM	#4
ZaRos Dungeon Master Join Date: October 30, 2003 Location: denmark Age: 43 Posts: 80	HEHEHEHEHEHE... Made big mistake in the poll.... Where it says "natures way" it should have said "by god" or something... DOH!!! __________________ But — as Jean-Paul Sartre almost said — forget recycled urine; true hell is other people <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Smile]\" src=\"smile.gif\" />

11-08-2003, 12:19 AM	#5
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,454	Well, I said other way. My personal view? Humans have been humans always. Until someone can prove otherwise, say in a concrete example of speciation occuring in our current time, that's how I'm sticking. Also, the idea of evolution (at least in my opinion) has so many variables that it could only occur if there were an outside sentient force to guide the process. P.S. as far as Darwin's theory of evolution? Scientists have already scrapped that one. They made a new one and still call it evolution but the definition of the theory is slightly different. Besides, he renounced his theory on his deathbed IIRC. __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

11-07-2003, 10:10 AM	#3
cloud ff7 38 User suspended until [Nov26] Join Date: August 7, 2003 Location: Midgar Age: 35 Posts: 533	I believe in no creation nor religion atheist all the way... but seriously I believe in no creation theroy until i get concrete evidence. Either that or choc created us all [img]smile.gif[/img]

11-25-2003, 04:22 PM	#6
catzenpewters Manshoon Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 52 Posts: 204	I don't think evolution and religion are necessarily at odds here. There seems reasonable proof that humans did evolve at least a certain amount, be it all the way from pond scum (big change here??) or just from primitive man. But why could a god not have initiated and directed such an evolution? I can't imagine Adam and Eve as Cromagnons, so I see the whole garden of Eden thing as more along the lines of a parable - much of the Bible is done this way. After all, explaining evolution to people 2,000+ years ago simply would not have worked. So my vote is both religion and evolution.

11-25-2003, 04:27 PM	#7
dplax Jack Burton Join Date: July 19, 2003 Location: an expat living in France Age: 38 Posts: 5,577	I would say Darwin's way. __________________

11-25-2003, 04:34 PM	#8
Svaerdhelgon The Magister Join Date: October 29, 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 37 Posts: 143	Well I tend to agree with the Evolutionary Theory more than the religious one because of me being an atheist,it just makes more sense to me.

11-25-2003, 09:51 PM	#10
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,454	Zaros, when I think of evolution I think of the process scientist usually describe as speciation. The changing of one species into a different species. True, minor physical changes even some major ones have occurred but the scientists have yet to declare a new species due to such changes. __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

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