The Stars & Stripes - Page 2

AzureWolf · 03-07-2002, 08:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Donut:

Not at all. I really didn't see it at first.

Actually I think Epona is right which makes me wrong all along

Billy Yank · 03-07-2002, 09:07 AM

When worn as a shoulder patch, the blue field is supposed to face toward the front of the soldier.

Epona · 03-07-2002, 09:09 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Billy Yank:
When worn as a shoulder patch, the blue field is supposed to face toward the front of the soldier.

Ah, I see. Is there any particular reason for that?

khazadman · 03-07-2002, 09:36 AM

it's flag etiquette.the blue field should always be to the upper left.

Davros · 03-07-2002, 09:44 AM

Perfectly simple and sensible then, isn't it...... (Davros wanders away scratching his head)

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Epona · 03-07-2002, 10:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Davros:
Perfectly simple and sensible then, isn't it...... (Davros wanders away scratching his head) .

I'm with you there Davros! Clear as mud.

Davros · 03-07-2002, 10:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Epona:

I'm with you there Davros! Clear as mud.

Just another of life's great mysteries I guess - along with the tree falling in the forest, and whether your chewing gum loses it's flavour ......

Epona · 03-07-2002, 10:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Davros:

Just another of life's great mysteries I guess - along with the tree falling in the forest, and whether your chewing gum loses it's flavour ......

LOL!! Perhaps a picture would help end this confusion. I've never seen so many crossed-wires in one thread!

Lanesra · 03-07-2002, 11:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Sir Taliesin:
The flags are massed produced and are really made to be worn on the left shoulder. That is also the shoulder that soldiers must wear their unit patch (i.e. the 101st Air Assualt Division wears the eagle on their left shoulder). A combat veteran is granted the privilage of wearing the patch of the unit he or she served in combat with, on his right shoulder (I wore the castle of the 20th Engineer Brigade from Fort Bragg). They may wear this patch all the time, regardless of what unit he or she is in. During combat a soldier will wear the flag in place of the combat patch.

It's a little confusing, I guess to non-military people. BTW as far as I know, we didn't start wearing the U.S. Flag patch until the Gulf War. Part of the reason, was because some many countries now wear the same uniform as the US. It was a way to quickly identify friend or foe.

They also make a subdued US flag that is green and black. That's to keep the enemy from siting in on the flag which is easily seen from a distance.

Probably a whole lot more info than you wanted to know. Sorry.

Thanks for the answer Sir Taliesin, i did think it would have been something deeper and more meaningfull than the fact that they're non reversable.Still times are hard i suppose [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sir Taliesin · 03-07-2002, 12:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Epona:

Surely the flag would be the right way round whichever shoulder it's worn on? If they are made with the stars in the right place, you can sew it on either shoulder and the stars are still in the right place - they haven't moved relative to the stripes. Unless they were sewn on face down that is.
Ach, now I'm confused. Brain can't cope with the geometry of rectangles this early.

The patch isn't reversible. On the back side, are where all the sewing threads are. It would be REAL ugly if you sewed that side out.
These patches aren't Iron on either. They are about 1/8 inch thick. If they where made to be reversible they'd be twice that thick. At 1/8 inch think, they can be right difficult to hand stetch on (especially for a 19 year old grunt that doesn't know which side of the needle to use [img]smile.gif[/img] ). I wouldn't even begin to try to sew one on any thicker. Any way now you know.

The patches where originally produced for law enforcement, fire and paramedics personnel, in this country to wear. The military started buying them later. They didn't have them changed to wear properly on the right shoulder, because it would have been another "$400 toilet seat" (Any time the Pentagon buys something they pay about 100 times the true worth for it. A tiolet seat was needed on a long range cargo plane and the manufacturer claimed that it was a $400 item. they got away with it too... for a while. There is also the case of a $40 ballpin hammer (you could go to the local hardware store and buy one for about $4 at the time) and the $20 screw (about 20 cents at the same store). Hopefully things have changes a little over the years.

[ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: Sir Taliesin ]

03-07-2002, 08:08 AM	#11
AzureWolf 20th Level Warrior Join Date: May 3, 2001 Location: . Age: 40 Posts: 2,762	quote: Originally posted by Donut: Not at all. I really didn't see it at first. Actually I think Epona is right which makes me wrong all along

03-07-2002, 09:07 AM	#12
Billy Yank The Magister Join Date: March 4, 2002 Location: Northern Virginia Age: 58 Posts: 132	When worn as a shoulder patch, the blue field is supposed to face toward the front of the soldier. __________________ [url]\"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2xvw6/\" target=\"_blank\"></a>

03-07-2002, 09:09 AM	#13
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 53 Posts: 5,164	quote: Originally posted by Billy Yank: When worn as a shoulder patch, the blue field is supposed to face toward the front of the soldier. Ah, I see. Is there any particular reason for that? __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-07-2002, 09:44 AM	#15
Davros Takhisis Follower Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Mandurah, West Australia Age: 60 Posts: 5,073	Perfectly simple and sensible then, isn't it...... (Davros wanders away scratching his head) . __________________ Davros was right - just ask JD

03-07-2002, 10:04 AM	#16
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 53 Posts: 5,164	quote: Originally posted by Davros: Perfectly simple and sensible then, isn't it...... (Davros wanders away scratching his head) . I'm with you there Davros! Clear as mud. __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-07-2002, 09:36 AM	#14
khazadman User suspended until [Feb13] Join Date: December 6, 2001 Location: the south side of ol virginny Age: 62 Posts: 1,172	it's flag etiquette.the blue field should always be to the upper left.

03-07-2002, 10:28 AM	#17
Davros Takhisis Follower Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Mandurah, West Australia Age: 60 Posts: 5,073	quote: Originally posted by Epona: I'm with you there Davros! Clear as mud. Just another of life's great mysteries I guess - along with the tree falling in the forest, and whether your chewing gum loses it's flavour ...... __________________ Davros was right - just ask JD

03-07-2002, 10:34 AM	#18
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 53 Posts: 5,164	quote: Originally posted by Davros: Just another of life's great mysteries I guess - along with the tree falling in the forest, and whether your chewing gum loses it's flavour ...... LOL!! Perhaps a picture would help end this confusion. I've never seen so many crossed-wires in one thread! __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-07-2002, 11:54 AM	#19
Lanesra Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: Twititania, Europe Age: 63 Posts: 1,221	quote: Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: The flags are massed produced and are really made to be worn on the left shoulder. That is also the shoulder that soldiers must wear their unit patch (i.e. the 101st Air Assualt Division wears the eagle on their left shoulder). A combat veteran is granted the privilage of wearing the patch of the unit he or she served in combat with, on his right shoulder (I wore the castle of the 20th Engineer Brigade from Fort Bragg). They may wear this patch all the time, regardless of what unit he or she is in. During combat a soldier will wear the flag in place of the combat patch. It's a little confusing, I guess to non-military people. BTW as far as I know, we didn't start wearing the U.S. Flag patch until the Gulf War. Part of the reason, was because some many countries now wear the same uniform as the US. It was a way to quickly identify friend or foe. They also make a subdued US flag that is green and black. That's to keep the enemy from siting in on the flag which is easily seen from a distance. Probably a whole lot more info than you wanted to know. Sorry. Thanks for the answer Sir Taliesin, i did think it would have been something deeper and more meaningfull than the fact that they're non reversable.Still times are hard i suppose [img]smile.gif[/img]

03-07-2002, 12:26 PM	#20
Sir Taliesin Silver Dragon Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN USA Age: 60 Posts: 1,641	quote: Originally posted by Epona: Surely the flag would be the right way round whichever shoulder it's worn on? If they are made with the stars in the right place, you can sew it on either shoulder and the stars are still in the right place - they haven't moved relative to the stripes. Unless they were sewn on face down that is. Ach, now I'm confused. Brain can't cope with the geometry of rectangles this early. The patch isn't reversible. On the back side, are where all the sewing threads are. It would be REAL ugly if you sewed that side out. These patches aren't Iron on either. They are about 1/8 inch thick. If they where made to be reversible they'd be twice that thick. At 1/8 inch think, they can be right difficult to hand stetch on (especially for a 19 year old grunt that doesn't know which side of the needle to use [img]smile.gif[/img] ). I wouldn't even begin to try to sew one on any thicker. Any way now you know. The patches where originally produced for law enforcement, fire and paramedics personnel, in this country to wear. The military started buying them later. They didn't have them changed to wear properly on the right shoulder, because it would have been another "$400 toilet seat" (Any time the Pentagon buys something they pay about 100 times the true worth for it. A tiolet seat was needed on a long range cargo plane and the manufacturer claimed that it was a $400 item. they got away with it too... for a while. There is also the case of a $40 ballpin hammer (you could go to the local hardware store and buy one for about $4 at the time) and the $20 screw (about 20 cents at the same store). Hopefully things have changes a little over the years. [ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: Sir Taliesin ] __________________ Sir Taliesin<br /><br />Hello... Good bye.

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