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Old 11-09-2002, 12:16 PM   #1
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It’s a communist revolution…

… Marx would be turning in his grave! D

Seriously, Yesterday, President Jang Zemin basically jettisoned communism in his manifesto speech on the Chinas future development to the communist party congress.
He gave a big long speech apparently about his own pragmatist theory called the 3 represents, which puts economic development as the top priority.

In his own words
“The world is changing, we must adapt ourselves… and conscientiously free our minds from the shackles of outdated notions, practices and systems, from the erroneous and dogmatic interpretations of Marxism”

This is a big step from the last congress in 97, Since this time he failed to mention the “ultimate goal of communism” which theoretically the communist party still pursues.
He is also basically saying that It’s OK to let Chinas private entrepreneurs (who have been vulnerable even though they are the most dynamic economic force)

In his own words again:
“We should admit in the party advanced elements of other social strata who accept the parties programs and constitutions”
And the new social strata was defined as including private entrepreneurs, employees of foreign funded firms, and the self employed.

He also made it clear that the policy of the “three represents” Will supplant the ideas of Marx and Lenin, and he committed his followers to following the “three represents” as well.

He also said:
“All peoples interests are basically identical: we must allow the people advance together to the common goal of prosperity and encourage them to create social wealth.”
However He promised no political change, saying such choice things as “Leadership by the party is the fundamental guarantee that the people are the masters of the country”

So China will still be a moribund and censorious, evil oppressive and corrupt dictatorship politically speaking, But committed to capitalism and globalisation, Indeed he said that the party stood for “going with the historical tide”
 
Old 11-09-2002, 12:39 PM   #2
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Yep, nothing is going to change. It will still be a vicious authoritarian monolith.
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Old 11-09-2002, 06:26 PM   #3
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Well, one thing IS going to change... in less than 15 years China will dominate the world economy.
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Old 11-09-2002, 06:29 PM   #4
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Well, one thing IS going to change... in less than 15 years China will dominate the world economy.
Well if they take over the beer market you won´t hold a grudge against them won´t you? [img]tongue.gif[/img] And I think Marx is already turning in his grave in regards to the Chinese government

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Old 11-09-2002, 06:42 PM   #5
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Well, one thing IS going to change... in less than 15 years China will dominate the world economy.
Well if they take over the beer market you won´t hold a grudge against them won´t you? [img]tongue.gif[/img] And I think Marx is already turning in his grave in regards to the Chinese government [/QUOTE]I would if that means i have to go all the way to China to get a friggin beer.
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Old 11-09-2002, 06:52 PM   #6
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Old 11-09-2002, 07:07 PM   #7
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Yep, nothing is going to change. It will still be a vicious authoritarian monolith.
Actually I think it’s how America could become under The Republicans & bush, you see in china you’ve got large-scale corruption and unaccountable officials, Thus they have no incentive to do anything other than what they are told by their superiors and turn a blind eye to profiteering as long as they line their pockets.
If you look at America today, Bush wasn’t even elected, They push through tax cuts to benefit the rich etc, And many electoral results are a forgone conclusion, Thus creating less accountability thus less good behaviour on the part of those in power.
 
Old 11-09-2002, 07:16 PM   #8
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So China will still be a moribund and censorious, evil oppressive and corrupt dictatorship politically speaking, But committed to capitalism and globalisation, Indeed he said that the party stood for “going with the historical tide”
WHOOO HOOOO!!! Looks like China is going to start being just like the U.S.A. I just hope they dont plan on moveing in on our plans for world domination.
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Old 11-09-2002, 07:28 PM   #9
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Yep, nothing is going to change. It will still be a vicious authoritarian monolith.
Actually I think it’s how America could become under The Republicans & bush, you see in china you’ve got large-scale corruption and unaccountable officials, Thus they have no incentive to do anything other than what they are told by their superiors and turn a blind eye to profiteering as long as they line their pockets.
If you look at America today, Bush wasn’t even elected, They push through tax cuts to benefit the rich etc, And many electoral results are a forgone conclusion, Thus creating less accountability thus less good behaviour on the part of those in power.
[/QUOTE]There is absolutely no reasonable comparison that can be made between China and "Bush and the Republicans".

If you look at the American Constitution you'll see Bush was elected to the presidency. He was elected by the Electoral College just like every other president. He wasn't the first, second, or even third president to lose the popular vote while winning the Electoral College. He was the fourth, so this kind of thing happens nearly 10% of the time in presidential elections.
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Old 11-09-2002, 11:30 PM   #10
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Well, this is certainly bad news for Western dominance as Johnny said.
The one thing that was holding China back from irresistable global influence was it's rigid, Marxist stagnation-politics.

An industrialized, capitalized, expansionist military dictatorship with a population of billions. Anyone seriously *gulping* with nerves yet?
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