Dark, Cold, Space. Do these exist?

[homer]

Your conceptualising of 'space' as being 'something' is exactly what I'm talking about Take the universe itself. It is said to be expanding. How can that which is infinite expand? Expanding implies a limit. But where the universe stops, there is nothing. No-thing. Space. Also, you cannot go further than the end of the universe, because you are part of the universe. Wherever you are, so the universe is also.

The fact that the universe expands is what makes it infinite. Expanding dose not imply a limit, it only implies continuation.

You indicate, “ Wherever you are, so the universe is also”. This implies that there is no such thing as nothing. Whether or not we call that nothing “space” or any other such name, it still exists.

[Borvik]

Cold and heat are a subjective description of the energy-level of materia. Hot materia has a higher enery-level than cold materia and is emitting more or less photons (I think) of a certain enery.
With dark and light it's similar - it's the presence or absence of photons. And we should keep in mind, that we aren't able to see the whole light spectrum! When we talk of dark, then we are meaning, that there are no photons, that we are able ot see.
Space.... That's a difficult one. If space wouldn't exist, than things would be very .. uhm ... tight. So, yep, space exists definitely!
We are very limited in understanding our world - so defining space=nothing, is only the way WE are able to see/feel/whatever it. IMO that doesn't have to mean, that there IS nothing or that something doesn't really exist.

[Davros]

Well I didn't have a whole lot of SPACE in my spare bedroom this morning, but after a good solid clean out there is now loads of it. For anyone that wants to personally witness the proof of the existance of this amazing space, please come visit me, and bring cider (no Fosters drinkers allowed ).

Now that I have space, the opportunities to fill this void in my life are now without number - I probably should take 2 Bex and have a good lie down to think things over .

[WillowIX]

I thought space was the intellectual term for the male brain. LLAO!! Cold is lack of heat. But since humans tend to be lazy we create words for everything. And I have to admit it´s easier to say "It´s cold outside today" than "Ohh there´s a lack of heat outside today". The same goes for light and dark I suppose although it´s near impossible to debate that as borvik pointed out. And if you want to debate "space" you need to clarify yourself Yorick. Some in here are talking about space, others about space and now Davros started talking about space! If you know what I mean.

[Borvik]

Originally posted by WillowIX: I thought space was the intellectual term for the male brain. LLAO!! Cold is lack of heat. But since humans tend to be lazy we create words for everything. And I have to admit it´s easier to say "It´s cold outside today" than "Ohh there´s a lack of heat outside today". The same goes for light and dark I suppose although it´s near impossible to debate that as borvik pointed out. And if you want to debate "space" you need to clarify yourself Yorick. Some in here are talking about space, others about space and now Davros started talking about space! If you know what I mean.

LOL there are truly existing INTELLECTUAL terms for our ... brains? Well... uhmmm .... wait... Hey, I'm male! What did you insinuate??? ( )

[Gromnir]

I personally believe that nothingness is an absence of something and so it does not exist in the material sense. However it does exist in the general sence that it is there. Same with cold and dark. Just because it is an absence of something does not imply that it doesn't exist in some sense.

Also, I think that the universe is just where the matter that was created in the big bang is, and that space is infinite and the universe is expanding in this infinite space.

[/)eathKiller]

in the blackness of space between the geatest distance of stars upon which light has not reached there is nothingess, maybe a little debris but aside from that its just a big oxygenless vacuum...

My question is : When was never?

[Gromnir]

I think that billions of years ago the big bang happened, I don't know why or how but it did, that part could be discussed on a religion topic but before this there was was nothingness and therefore neverness. However it is mindboggling to think of an infinite nothingness.

[LennonCook]

Cold is the lacking of heat.
There are places that lack heat. Therefore, cold exists.
Dark is the lacking of light. There are places that have no light. Therefore, dark must exist.

If we can experience it, it must exist. For that same reason, imagination must exist.
As for space - is there anywhere that lacks everything ?? No. If it has no matter, it is a vacuum. It doesn`t lack a name.

[ 01-05-2003, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: LennonCook ]

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Gromnir: I think that billions of years ago the big bang happened, I don't know why or how but it did, that part could be discussed on a religion topic but before this there was was nothingness and therefore neverness. However it is mindboggling to think of an infinite nothingness.

But what is a year? The rate at which the earth orbits the sun is not constant, and indeed once upon a time it is likely that the earth didn't orbit the sun at all (indeed there was no 'Earth' as we know it at one stage...supposedly). It's hard to judge passage of time without the recognizable 'landmarks' to navigate with.