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Old 08-18-2002, 09:55 PM   #1
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I just went to play AD&D again and yet again im feeling very angry and sad..
OK, here`s what happened - The other night i made a minotaur, and he was absolutely great at fighting(THACO 12, +12 to Damage, 87 HP). We killed an Earth Elemental(Random Encounter) and maybe some other monsters, but then we met a White Dragon. That white dragon killed me(with his breath doing 12d6 +12 Damage every round) and another from my group but the others survived and killed it. The other dead party member was resurrected while i was not because she was more strong(i was lvl 4(due to all the previous deaths) and she was lvl 6). Then i made a human mage because he fit well with my shitty stats.

Now, the part that makes me so f***ing sad and angry, is the exp.. Each party member, except me, got 6800 exp for all the killing(the dragon gave 19500 exp!!!). Our DM makes it so that if i make a new character he has one half of the previous chars exp. Right now, i have a total of 4965 exp while ALL the other players got 6800 exp, which was added to their total..

im just very pissed off right now .. I have but a weakling that stands admist powerful beings.. its only a matter of time till i lose everything and die again..

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Old 08-18-2002, 10:53 PM   #2
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Your DM threw you a White Dragon for a random encounter while you guys were around level 4-6? Whoa.
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Old 08-19-2002, 03:40 AM   #3
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Your DM threw you a White Dragon for a random encounter while you guys were around level 4-6? Whoa.
Im no expert on ad&d encouner tables, esp not 3rd ed, but arent white dragon somewhere above level 15? To hard for a 4-6 level party anyway. Except for a quest target or something where you can prepare.

I dunno, but the point of the DM is to make the game fun, not make things as hard as possible. You might want to consider joining another group or perhaps just taking it up with him in private.
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Old 08-19-2002, 05:38 AM   #4
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I would have to guess for any of the party to have survived the battle that thier must have been some modifcation on the part of the DM.Like it was a very young dragon,or allready injured,or maybe even just with reduced stats so an inexperenced party could have a chance.I have to ask and don't take this the wrong way I'm not accusing just asking,are you playing as your charcter would act or as you would act?Are you a low level charcter who should evade and use more stratigic attacks who runs in screaming with sword swinging going toe to toe with a superior foe?Just some things to consider,you could be playing correctly I don't know I wasn't there.Just rember especially at the lower levels or any time against a much tougher monster,a series of smaller smarter attacks usally beats an all out rush.A good way to think about it is this.If you (yourself) were hunting a bear would you do better in a treestand with a bow,or on the ground with a sword and shield?
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Old 08-19-2002, 06:05 AM   #5
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I would have to guess for any of the party to have survived the battle that thier must have been some modifcation on the part of the DM.Like it was a very young dragon,or allready injured,or maybe even just with reduced stats so an inexperenced party could have a chance.I have to ask and don't take this the wrong way I'm not accusing just asking,are you playing as your charcter would act or as you would act?Are you a low level charcter who should evade and use more stratigic attacks who runs in screaming with sword swinging going toe to toe with a superior foe?Just some things to consider,you could be playing correctly I don't know I wasn't there.Just rember especially at the lower levels or any time against a much tougher monster,a series of smaller smarter attacks usally beats an all out rush.A good way to think about it is this.If you (yourself) were hunting a bear would you do better in a treestand with a bow,or on the ground with a sword and shield?
We didnt really get any oppritunity to make tactical attacks - just run or fight.

it still drives me mad when i think that i have 4965 exp while the second most weak party member has over 15000 and as much as i know, our druid is level 7 because she hasnt died even once(lucky bastard! I died about.. 4 times!)..

What good would my weak lvl 3 Mage do? Even the F/M/T is 4/4/4 and therefore stronger in magery than my char is!
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Old 08-19-2002, 07:13 AM   #6
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quote:
Originally posted by sageridder:
I would have to guess for any of the party to have survived the battle that thier must have been some modifcation on the part of the DM.Like it was a very young dragon,or allready injured,or maybe even just with reduced stats so an inexperenced party could have a chance.I have to ask and don't take this the wrong way I'm not accusing just asking,are you playing as your charcter would act or as you would act?Are you a low level charcter who should evade and use more stratigic attacks who runs in screaming with sword swinging going toe to toe with a superior foe?Just some things to consider,you could be playing correctly I don't know I wasn't there.Just rember especially at the lower levels or any time against a much tougher monster,a series of smaller smarter attacks usally beats an all out rush.A good way to think about it is this.If you (yourself) were hunting a bear would you do better in a treestand with a bow,or on the ground with a sword and shield?
We didnt really get any oppritunity to make tactical attacks - just run or fight.

it still drives me mad when i think that i have 4965 exp while the second most weak party member has over 15000 and as much as i know, our druid is level 7 because she hasnt died even once(lucky bastard! I died about.. 4 times!)..

What good would my weak lvl 3 Mage do? Even the F/M/T is 4/4/4 and therefore stronger in magery than my char is!
[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about the rest, but that 4/4/4 added up makes 12 levels. Sounds like some favoritism may be going around. You might want to ask about doing some solo adventures to help "catch" up, if your DM will agree. If not, then he definitely has something in for you. In that case, I would recommend finding other gaming friends.
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Old 08-19-2002, 11:00 AM   #7
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you could try and get your DM kicked out of the group if not many people there like him.
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Old 08-19-2002, 11:05 AM   #8
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Uss, I hate to pee in your cornflakes, but why don't you just stop? You keep getting killed and you seem to be getting more hassle than fun from it. Or else stick to BG II or something [img]tongue.gif[/img]
 
Old 08-19-2002, 10:47 PM   #9
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You fought a White Dragon at what level?! Ummm... Are you sure your DM has a Monstrous Manual and actually knows what he's doing? I mean, that just doesn't seem right, not to mention that it was a random encounter. Maybe you oughta have a talk with him about what you're encountering unless everybody else is ok with it. He kinda sounds like he's inexperienced from the little I can learn from what you said. Like a lot of other people said, maybe you should find another group to play with or at least get a new DM or something... Asking if you could go on a couple solo adventures like somebody also said would probably help to. Just my 2 cents

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Old 08-20-2002, 03:21 AM   #10
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Just a thought - solo adventures are a pain for everyone to run unless you can do them outside the regular playing time or have an assistant DM to run one of the groups. (Or a *very* good DM who can handle both at the same time) so a "Gift From The Gods" may be more appropriate. Perhaps a minor Ring of Wizardry bound to your bloodline or something. Nothing too overpowering, but something to give you a chance.

Of course if the other players havent raised some objections by now (having one character this far behind hurts the parties chances - do you have any idea how much resurrection costs?) you might just be better off with a new group.

Other than that, youll just have to think a bit more than the other characters. 90% of all deaths in d&d could be averted by a little thought and better use of spells/artifacts. Your DM may be trying to keep things frantic by insisting the people take turns quickly (The idea being that the caracters dont have much time to think, so why should the player), this should be relaxed.

Illusion spells are very good for this - an ogre horde cant charge across the bridge if they dont know where it is. An illusionary bridge 10 feet to the right means the caster gets the XP as well. Dunno if a 3rd level mage can cast an illusion that big though.
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