Dwarves

Haldir · 10-03-2003, 12:06 PM

I have never played game with dwarf, how is it? Are dwarvws good or not?

JrKASperov · 10-03-2003, 12:12 PM

Dwarves rule, not only do they make excellent clerics and fighters, they also tend to have nicely gruff characters

Indemaijinj · 10-03-2003, 12:15 PM

They area actually cool enough. Most people tend to avoid them because they cannot get 18 in Dex, but if you are not so fuzzy about optimal stats and powergaming they are as good as any.

Also dwarwes gets some good saving throw bonuses. Their class choices are somewhat limited, however, and the complete lack of any female dwarwen avatars is unjustifiable.

Haldir · 10-03-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by Indemaijinj:
They area actually cool enough. Most people tend to avoid them because they cannot get 18 in Dex, but if you are not so fuzzy about optimal stats and powergaming they are as good as any.

Also dwarwes gets some good saving throw bonuses. Their class choices are somewhat limited, however, and the complete lack of any female dwarwen avatars is unjustifiable.

Ha ha female dwarwen avatar that is a funny one. But anyway thanks.

Tyrion · 10-03-2003, 12:53 PM

what do you mean with no females...the have beards too!

Haldir · 10-03-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrion:
what do you mean with no females...the have beards too!

Ha, ha

Xen · 10-03-2003, 01:51 PM

Dwarves are one of the best races:

They have the best Saving Throws VS Spells and Wands
The get 19 CON so they have a lot of hitpoints...

Indemaijinj · 10-03-2003, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrion:
what do you mean with no females...the have beards too!

Meh, this is the typical rebuke but I still don't consider it convincing enough.

There is more about the dwarwen avatar that makes it distinctively male than just the beard. It is the whole body form.

Actually I would be willing to do quite a lot of work in order to make a mod that would implement female avatars for dwarwes and gnomes, but I think it is impossible due to hard-coded limitations.

Sonic · 10-04-2003, 05:57 AM

And Dwarfes are exelent tanks whit their 19 con and theyr extremely good fighters so its whort to play whit 1

Dace De'Briago · 10-04-2003, 06:04 AM

RE: The lower dexterity makes the race less appealing to powergamers, this is simply not true with the exception of the THIEF classes.

Base Dexterity 17
BG Tomes Dexterity 18
MOLTM 19

See, no problem with the overall dexterity - 18 is plenty for any warrior class as you get the full -4AC bonus.

The next AC adjustment does not come until 21 dexterity (-5AC), and this is only realistically possible with a non dwarf.

eg.

18 in stat to start.
BG tomes 19.
MOLTM 20.
Deck of Many Things +1 primary stat... 21.

Increasing dexterity beyond 21 is nigh-on-pointless for powergaming purposes, again, unless the character is a thief.

So, ahem, don't be put off by the slightly 'lower' dwarven dexterity

10-03-2003, 12:06 PM	#1
Haldir Manshoon Join Date: March 15, 2003 Location: Green piece of Europe-Slovenia-Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 179	I have never played game with dwarf, how is it? Are dwarvws good or not? __________________ Medicus curat, natura sanat!

10-03-2003, 12:12 PM	#2
JrKASperov Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 16, 2003 Location: Wa\'eni\'n Age: 38 Posts: 1,701	Dwarves rule, not only do they make excellent clerics and fighters, they also tend to have nicely gruff characters __________________ God is in the rain.

10-03-2003, 12:15 PM	#3
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 43 Posts: 1,163	They area actually cool enough. Most people tend to avoid them because they cannot get 18 in Dex, but if you are not so fuzzy about optimal stats and powergaming they are as good as any. Also dwarwes gets some good saving throw bonuses. Their class choices are somewhat limited, however, and the complete lack of any female dwarwen avatars is unjustifiable. __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

10-03-2003, 12:53 PM	#5
Tyrion Quintesson Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: straight outta Kålltorp Age: 37 Posts: 1,081	what do you mean with no females...the have beards too! __________________ ...with the Bible and the Uzi as weapons

10-03-2003, 01:51 PM	#7
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 36 Posts: 8,554	Dwarves are one of the best races: They have the best Saving Throws VS Spells and Wands The get 19 CON so they have a lot of hitpoints...

10-04-2003, 05:57 AM	#9
Sonic Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 9, 2003 Location: Amn Age: 34 Posts: 352	And Dwarfes are exelent tanks whit their 19 con and theyr extremely good fighters so its whort to play whit 1 __________________ Never Underestimate Your Enemy.<br /><br />A Normal Dagger in the right hand\'s is as Dangerous as Crom Faeyr.

10-04-2003, 06:04 AM	#10
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 43 Posts: 1,617	RE: The lower dexterity makes the race less appealing to powergamers, this is simply not true with the exception of the THIEF classes. Base Dexterity 17 BG Tomes Dexterity 18 MOLTM 19 See, no problem with the overall dexterity - 18 is plenty for any warrior class as you get the full -4AC bonus. The next AC adjustment does not come until 21 dexterity (-5AC), and this is only realistically possible with a non dwarf. eg. 18 in stat to start. BG tomes 19. MOLTM 20. Deck of Many Things +1 primary stat... 21. Increasing dexterity beyond 21 is nigh-on-pointless for powergaming purposes, again, unless the character is a thief. So, ahem, don't be put off by the slightly 'lower' dwarven dexterity __________________ Warning: Powergamer

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