War Chant of Sith x5 !!!!!

[ZFR]

Not wanting to hijack Black Swan Gauntlet's thread here http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...c;f=3;t=003553 I'm starting a new one.

Does bonus from War Chant of Sith (WCoS) stack?
Becaus I just thought of a new theme party. Fighter/Mage + 5 bard sidekicks.

Bards do nothing but sing WCoS. Fighter/Mage will have +10AC, regenerate 10HP per round, and have 50% damage resistance without any items. Add to that extremely good mage buffs (e.g. mirror image, stoneskin defensive, luck, haste offensive) and excellent fighter attack skills. Is that the ultimate power tank??

ADD: the bonuses also apply to the bards themselves, so should they be attacked too (e.g surrounded), the enemy will still have trouble beating them down.

An alternative to fighter/mage could be cleric/ranger (depending which buffs you like better).
Or fighter/druid, although lacks good buffs has offensive spells.

[Black Swan Gauntlet]

*Severe Gawking*

Just tested it...made a character with two bards. I jacked up the bards' xp to the point where they'd be able to sing War Chant. I recorded the AC when one sang, and then when both sang.

It WORKS. I can't believe it, but it works.

[Dundee Slaytern]

Right... so I now have this image of a soloist hacking and slashing, while a rock band is jamming and headbanging in the background...

[Aerich]

Hmm. Multiple bards has been suggested before, and I didn't think WCotS would stack. I guess I was wrong.

Now, try to imagine shepherding 5 beginner bards to lvl 11. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ZFR]

Originally posted by Aerich: Now, try to imagine shepherding 5 beginner bards to lvl 11. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Right, this could be the tough part, but if songs stack it would mean with 5 Tymora melodies you score a critical hit at rolls 15+. Not too useful though if the hitting is done by one character only.


Anyway, is it possible for a party to finish HoF without resting? You can start at any level you want.

The only possible way I see for this is 5 bards + Fighter/Druid (for the 'no fatigue' druid ability). You dont need to rest to memorize spells with such immunities.

EDIT: well some problems would still be there. A silence spell by enemy spellcasters could successfully shut down one of your 5 engines. Your character would also not be immune to things like hold person, confusion, charm (so like in soloing ring of free action is vital, and bards do have pickpocket ).

Perhaps worst of all would be a simple deafness spell cast on the tank. Your in the middle fighting happily and suddenly all your protections are gone .

I might actually give this a try some time.

[ 07-16-2006, 05:01 AM: Message edited by: ZFR ]

[Kyrvias]

Though, if you think about it, you could have one bard play The Song of Kaudies, giving a 50% resistance to silence, and sound based spells. Maybe have another bard play The Tale of Curran Strongheart, (Immunity from fear) and the rest play War chant of Sith. That turns out as:

1)50% resistance to shrugg of the effects of spells such as Silence, Shout, Great Shout, Command, or other sound based attacks.
2)Fear effects removed, and immunity from fear.
3)-6 to AC, 30% resistance to crushing, piercing, slashing, and missile, and regerating 6 hp every round

That's pretty balanced.

[ZFR]

The necessity to have immunity from fear is like in 1 encounter every 15. The necessity to have immunity from sound attack is like in 1 encounter every 50.

[Kyrvias]

Though, the Bard Song is verbal, and, if the bard gets silenced, well, no more song. If you have two bards sing the song of Kaudies, well, the rest can sing the War Chant of Sith, without interruption.

That's Immunity to Silence, and sound based spells, -6 bonus to AC, 30% resistance to physical attacks, and regenerating 6 points per round. Couple taht with a Ranger/Cleric, or Fighter Mage, and you've got a tough group to beat.

[ZFR]

Originally posted by Kyrvias: Though, the Bard Song is verbal, and, if the bard gets silenced, well, no more song. If you have two bards sing the song of Kaudies, well, the rest can sing the War Chant of Sith, without interruption. That's Immunity to Silence, and sound based spells, -6 bonus to AC, 30% resistance to physical attacks, and regenerating 6 points per round. Couple taht with a Ranger/Cleric, or Fighter Mage, and you've got a tough group to beat.

Nope. There are not many times you'll need protection from silence and it's not worth wasting 2 bards for this. It's much better to avoid silence some other way. how many enemies cast silence? Your sacrificing 4ac 4hp/rnd 20% res for nothing.

Bards should sing only WcoS, any other songs (immunity to fear, to silence, better thief skills) only for specific needs.

[Kyrvias]

Still, "It's better safe than sorry"

If indeed you didn't use the song before battles, and, somehow you got silenced, well, you'd get slaughtered. And, if you didn't have a save close to where you died, well, not good.

(True Story. During my "Specialist Mages, and the bard recording their deeds" game. I usually had that song playing constantly.. after I had the unfortunate accident above.)