Single Weapon style...worth it?

D*Ranged · 03-12-2005, 05:55 AM

I was thinking of making a fighter or a wizardslayer dualled to a thief lvl 12.

Here's the dilemma, I know Two weapon style is better but...is single weapon style worth the try? Or is it a waste of precious prof. points?

Thanks in advance.

lost prophet · 03-12-2005, 08:07 AM

well even with 5 prof points in 2 weapon style ( and ull have to clarify this one but) you only get like +1 to the hit of your off hand weapon. Since most of the points went to getting rid off the minuses. If you had one handed style you;d be quite a good fighter with it, especially if you went evenly with single style and say long sword. By the end of the game you'd be quite good.

Edit: sorry this was badly worded im falling asleep

[ 03-13-2005, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: lost prophet ]

Assassin · 03-12-2005, 08:19 AM

You can only get up to three proficiency points in TWF. I view Single Weapon Fighting, powergaming-wise, inferior to TWF. Sure, IIRC, you get some AC benefits, making it sometimes worthwhile to give to your tank, but lategame/ToB, I find that AC matters little, and the extra attack that you get with two weapons matters much more. (especially with IH)

Harkoliar · 03-12-2005, 08:27 AM

plus the bonus the off-hand weapon will give you

Armen · 03-12-2005, 08:42 AM

as you're dualling to thief then definitely take some single weapon points as it increases the likelihood of a critical hit (and you only need 1 * for this)

the good news of the dynamics of this dual is that you get points almost for 'free' - dual-wield while you're a fighter and then take single-weapon style as one of your thief profs and single-wield as a thief and then take your pick when the fighter reactivates

Marty4 · 03-12-2005, 12:06 PM

I recently had an archer who used a single longsword, and he was an effective backup tank. I chose single weapon so that he could get his elf bonuses with longswords, and since dual wielding with a bow involves tedious item switching. Also, with HLA's having single weapon proficiency helps.

For example, by the time I got greater whirlwind, my Valygar had 2* in dual wielding and single weapon. During a fight, he would dual wield. However, when I used greater whirlwind I would have him drop his second weapon, getting the same number of attacks along with increased critical and AC.

SixOfSpades · 03-12-2005, 03:28 PM

Single Weapon Style is best used by Thieves, to increase their chances of getting a Critical Backstab and for improved AC when they're running away afterwards.

Dual-Wielding is best used by flank attackers, to carve up the enemy while the Tank is shrugging off blows. It's the most powerful offensive melee style, but not recommended for anyone but high-level Warriors, as only they have the THAC0 to kill their opponent quickly.

Klorox · 03-13-2005, 03:36 PM

Using it on a mage isn't a bad idea, since it adds a bonus to AC. if a mage is unfortunate enough to be attacked in HTH combat, they will need all the protection they can get.

SixOfSpades · 03-13-2005, 04:37 PM

Pure Wizards caanot place any proficiency points into the Weapon Styles.

Klutz · 03-14-2005, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Armen:
as you're dualling to thief then definitely take some single weapon points as it increases the likelihood of a critical hit (and you only need 1 * for this)

the good news of the dynamics of this dual is that you get points almost for 'free' - dual-wield while you're a fighter and then take single-weapon style as one of your thief profs and single-wield as a thief and then take your pick when the fighter reactivates

Agreed here: as a Fighter dualed to Thief, you'll have tons of proficiency points. Plan them out so that you don't duplicate/lose any as part of the dual-class, and you will have ample proficiencies for both weapon styles and a good selection of weapons as well. Here's an example:

Fighter -> Thief

Fighter pre-dualclass
7F: ** Long Sword, ** Two Weapon Style, ** Short Bow
9F: * Katana
12F: ** Katana

Dualed to Thief, prior to Thief level exceeding Fighter level
1T: * Short Sword, * Single Weapon Style
4T: * Dagger
8T: * Scimitar
12T: * Quarterstaff

Fighter -> Thief, after Thief level exceeds Fighter level
16T: ** Single Weapon Style

"Final", as level 12 Fighter / level 16 (and climbing) Thief:
** Long Sword, Short Bow, Katana
** Two Weapon Style, Single Weapon Style
* Short Sword, Dagger, Scimitar, Quarterstaff

03-12-2005, 05:55 AM	#1
D*Ranged Avatar Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: Wellington ,NZ (I revealed it to people now...) Age: 41 Posts: 585	I was thinking of making a fighter or a wizardslayer dualled to a thief lvl 12. Here's the dilemma, I know Two weapon style is better but...is single weapon style worth the try? Or is it a waste of precious prof. points? Thanks in advance. __________________ YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN...........

03-12-2005, 08:07 AM	#2
lost prophet Drow Warrior Join Date: October 23, 2004 Location: Perth, Western Australia, Australia Age: 33 Posts: 297	well even with 5 prof points in 2 weapon style ( and ull have to clarify this one but) you only get like +1 to the hit of your off hand weapon. Since most of the points went to getting rid off the minuses. If you had one handed style you;d be quite a good fighter with it, especially if you went evenly with single style and say long sword. By the end of the game you'd be quite good. Edit: sorry this was badly worded im falling asleep [ 03-13-2005, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: lost prophet ] __________________ I have a dream, we all have dreams.

03-12-2005, 08:19 AM	#3
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 36 Posts: 1,134	You can only get up to three proficiency points in TWF. I view Single Weapon Fighting, powergaming-wise, inferior to TWF. Sure, IIRC, you get some AC benefits, making it sometimes worthwhile to give to your tank, but lategame/ToB, I find that AC matters little, and the extra attack that you get with two weapons matters much more. (especially with IH) __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

03-12-2005, 08:27 AM	#4
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 41 Posts: 5,556	plus the bonus the off-hand weapon will give you __________________ Catch me if you can..

03-12-2005, 03:28 PM	#7
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 46 Posts: 6,901	Single Weapon Style is best used by Thieves, to increase their chances of getting a Critical Backstab and for improved AC when they're running away afterwards. Dual-Wielding is best used by flank attackers, to carve up the enemy while the Tank is shrugging off blows. It's the most powerful offensive melee style, but not recommended for anyone but high-level Warriors, as only they have the THAC0 to kill their opponent quickly. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

03-12-2005, 08:42 AM	#5
Armen Symbol of Cyric Join Date: February 11, 2003 Location: UK Age: 54 Posts: 1,375	as you're dualling to thief then definitely take some single weapon points as it increases the likelihood of a critical hit (and you only need 1 * for this) the good news of the dynamics of this dual is that you get points almost for 'free' - dual-wield while you're a fighter and then take single-weapon style as one of your thief profs and single-wield as a thief and then take your pick when the fighter reactivates

03-12-2005, 12:06 PM	#6
Marty4 Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 31, 2004 Location: VA Age: 33 Posts: 1,127	I recently had an archer who used a single longsword, and he was an effective backup tank. I chose single weapon so that he could get his elf bonuses with longswords, and since dual wielding with a bow involves tedious item switching. Also, with HLA's having single weapon proficiency helps. For example, by the time I got greater whirlwind, my Valygar had 2* in dual wielding and single weapon. During a fight, he would dual wield. However, when I used greater whirlwind I would have him drop his second weapon, getting the same number of attacks along with increased critical and AC.

03-13-2005, 03:36 PM	#8
Klorox Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 21, 2004 Location: USA Age: 48 Posts: 1,168	Using it on a mage isn't a bad idea, since it adds a bonus to AC. if a mage is unfortunate enough to be attacked in HTH combat, they will need all the protection they can get. __________________ Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-mênu! "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-- Edmund Burke

03-13-2005, 04:37 PM	#9
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 46 Posts: 6,901	Pure Wizards caanot place any proficiency points into the Weapon Styles. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

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