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Beaumanoir · 08-25-2002, 06:11 AM

Counterspells. What Are They, And When Should I Use Them??

Memnoch · 08-25-2002, 10:48 AM

I'm not a big fan. By the time you work out what it is and how to counter it, the enemy has cast it anyway. Plus you need to invest valuable skill points into Spellcraft - points you could be pouring into other skills.

Beaumanoir · 08-25-2002, 10:49 AM

Oh, LOL, My Spell Craft Is On 10 Already. Darn...

perk31 · 08-26-2002, 07:41 AM

Even without knowing the spells, it never hurts to use dispel or spell breach against a tough foe, especially if your examiniation shows a bunch of buffs.

komo · 03-15-2005, 01:22 PM

let's say i have enough points on Spellcraft to identify up to lv.4 spells. but i have only spells up to lv.3.

is it possible for me to counterspell a lv.4 spell??

Legolas · 03-15-2005, 01:57 PM

Counterspell lets you negate the magic one enemy uses, if you have the right spells memorised to do that.

For example, a wizard is trying to Slow your party. You'd need a version of Dispel magic (all four work) or a Haste spell memorised. This spell will be 'used' just as though you'd cast it but without any of the benefits.
Basically you are sacrificing your own spells to contain the enemy's. It doesn't always work, but being higher level and having a good spellcraft helps a lot. Alternatively, have someone else join you in trying to counter the same wizard's spells.

You typically go into counterspell mode before the enemy even casts a thing. Since it keeps you occupied without harming the opponent, counterspelling is most useful when
- you and he are the only ones around and you can outlast him
- you are with a party of others, want to keep them safe from the enemy's magics, and can't swiftly dispatch the enemy caster by other means.
In solo play, you don't really want to bother, and in multiplayer, it depends on whether you are better off stopping most of one wizard, or using magic to kill many more. Which in turn depends on your other party members and the opposition. In general you don't counterspell unless it's part of a pre-determined strategy, and perhaps especially because of that, it can catch the enemy off-guard and win you the battle.

To answer Komo's question, yes, you can, you just have a greater chance of failure.

To respond to Memsie, not really true. Only wizards and sorcerers can counterspell reliably, and for them spellcraft is always a good skill to choose. Stating it makes them spend points in the wrong places is like claiming heavy armor isn't meant for fighters because they have to pour points into Strength to wear it without penalty.

08-25-2002, 06:11 AM	#1
Beaumanoir Iron Throne Cult Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: There is no IRL, Only AFK. Age: 35 Posts: 4,896	Counterspells. What Are They, And When Should I Use Them?? __________________ My pokemon bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like; you wanna trade cards? Damn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my Charizard.

08-25-2002, 10:48 AM	#2
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	I'm not a big fan. By the time you work out what it is and how to counter it, the enemy has cast it anyway. Plus you need to invest valuable skill points into Spellcraft - points you could be pouring into other skills. __________________

08-25-2002, 10:49 AM	#3
Beaumanoir Iron Throne Cult Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: There is no IRL, Only AFK. Age: 35 Posts: 4,896	Oh, LOL, My Spell Craft Is On 10 Already. Darn... __________________ My pokemon bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like; you wanna trade cards? Damn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my Charizard.

08-26-2002, 07:41 AM	#4
perk31 Manshoon Join Date: November 15, 2001 Location: Atlanta Posts: 163	Even without knowing the spells, it never hurts to use dispel or spell breach against a tough foe, especially if your examiniation shows a bunch of buffs. __________________ By serving one another we all become free.

03-15-2005, 01:22 PM	#5
komo Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: March 10, 2005 Location: indonesia Age: 40 Posts: 17	let's say i have enough points on Spellcraft to identify up to lv.4 spells. but i have only spells up to lv.3. is it possible for me to counterspell a lv.4 spell?? __________________ the aim of my journey<br />is the journey itself

03-15-2005, 01:57 PM	#6
Legolas Jack Burton Join Date: March 31, 2001 Location: The zephyr lands beneath the brine. Age: 39 Posts: 5,459	Counterspell lets you negate the magic one enemy uses, if you have the right spells memorised to do that. For example, a wizard is trying to Slow your party. You'd need a version of Dispel magic (all four work) or a Haste spell memorised. This spell will be 'used' just as though you'd cast it but without any of the benefits. Basically you are sacrificing your own spells to contain the enemy's. It doesn't always work, but being higher level and having a good spellcraft helps a lot. Alternatively, have someone else join you in trying to counter the same wizard's spells. You typically go into counterspell mode before the enemy even casts a thing. Since it keeps you occupied without harming the opponent, counterspelling is most useful when - you and he are the only ones around and you can outlast him - you are with a party of others, want to keep them safe from the enemy's magics, and can't swiftly dispatch the enemy caster by other means. In solo play, you don't really want to bother, and in multiplayer, it depends on whether you are better off stopping most of one wizard, or using magic to kill many more. Which in turn depends on your other party members and the opposition. In general you don't counterspell unless it's part of a pre-determined strategy, and perhaps especially because of that, it can catch the enemy off-guard and win you the battle. To answer Komo's question, yes, you can, you just have a greater chance of failure. To respond to Memsie, not really true. Only wizards and sorcerers can counterspell reliably, and for them spellcraft is always a good skill to choose. Stating it makes them spend points in the wrong places is like claiming heavy armor isn't meant for fighters because they have to pour points into Strength to wear it without penalty.

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