.44 or .50??

[Neb]

Originally posted by MagiK: Well I was a juror on a murder case where the instrument of death was a ball pean hammer..one strike to the back of the head...coroner said death was instant....I will however admit it would take considerably MORE effort to kill someone with your stamp collection ...unless you had them in really heavy solid binders.....My real point is that naything can be used in a bad way, it is the person who determines what actions the objects are involved with, not the objects.

MagiK, I see your point and understand it. But my point is that it is CONSIDERABLY easier to kill someone with a gun than it is to do it with so many other things! And people are more likely to do things that are easy. Plus, you can kill someone from afar with a gun and then quickly run for cover. And you'll probably avoid getting blood on you too.

So using a gun makes the act of killing someone much easier, and much less bothersome. Also easier to hide quite probably, so in my opinion having a gun, or being able to easily get one. Would make people more prone to killing.

Originally posted by Neb: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Dreamer128: Are you sure that a gaming forum is the right place for such a conversation? There are alot of underage members here and you might convince some of the kids that owning a gun is 'cool'.

Umm you weren't serious with this post were you?

Owning a gun is no better or worse than owning a hammer or saw.
A gun is an inanimate object, neither "cool" nore malevolent happy or sad. Gun ownership is no different from any other legal hobby in the USA..[/QUOTE]Well, there are SOME differences. With a single push of a trigger you can kill someone with a gun. You'd practically have to tie someone down and saw them apart to kill someone with a saw. A hammer isn't too good for instantly killing people either. Plus with a gun you can kill people from far away and then run.

Gun ownership differs from other hobbies such as for example... Collecting stamps, in that you cannot use your collection of stamps to kill. Nor can your kid, if he gets a hold of your stamp collection, use it to kill someone. Unless he bores them to death. (No offense meant to stamp collectors )[/QUOTE]Hey Neb [img]smile.gif[/img] I wanted to make another reply to this, Im not really saying you are wrong, just I want to really point out, that is a kid is seriously disturbed enough to want to commit murder, he/she does efinatley NOT need a gun to do it. Not that I was a pyro or anything as a kid, I do know that If I could learn how to make bombs before the internet, Im pretty sure that explosive devices are even easier to learn how to construct now...there are also a whole host of ways in which to make sure someone dies...you do not need guns to do this.

Responsible gun ownership is no more dangerous than any other hobby...it is only dangerous when it is treated irresponsibly. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oh and NO CHILD should ever be able to easily get a gun...I mean it didnt hurt me or my sisters or brother growing up with guns litterally laying around the house (we lived in a rural area and we hunted for meat)
but I wouldnt tempt fate with my kids.

[ 04-26-2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by Neb: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Well I was a juror on a murder case where the instrument of death was a ball pean hammer..one strike to the back of the head...coroner said death was instant....I will however admit it would take considerably MORE effort to kill someone with your stamp collection ...unless you had them in really heavy solid binders.....My real point is that naything can be used in a bad way, it is the person who determines what actions the objects are involved with, not the objects.

MagiK, I see your point and understand it. But my point is that it is CONSIDERABLY easier to kill someone with a gun than it is to do it with so many other things! And people are more likely to do things that are easy. Plus, you can kill someone from afar with a gun and then quickly run for cover. And you'll probably avoid getting blood on you too.

So using a gun makes the act of killing someone much easier, and much less bothersome. Also easier to hide quite probably, so in my opinion having a gun, or being able to easily get one. Would make people more prone to killing.[/QUOTE]Here In England, where firearm laws are as tight as tight can be, I cannot even keep a gun in my own home (Not that I could afford a gun, yet anyway).
At the firing range where Shooting takes place, the .22 & .303 (all bolt action naturally) rifles are all kept in an very large & heavy safe when they are not being used, same for the ammunition, and no one can have more than 12 rounds on them at a time. I’m not entirely clear on all the laws, but it’s pretty much impossible to own any Magazine pistol & most repeating weapons as well and all guns are very tightly controlled and regulated.
As a result firearms deaths in England are very low indeed, nearly all of them from criminals or suicide.
Guns do make murder more likely and easier, but as a hobby when controlled like this they are perfectly harmless.
However it always annoys me though, because as long as I live in Britain I can never own that FN MAG 58 I've always wanted

[Wurm]

Oh man not the gun control BS again

Listen I am going to ignore all that and answer your question.

I went straight to the last post but I am assuming because of the calibers you asked about you want a desert eagle.

I want to let you know one thing before I continue.

Both the .44 and ,50 caliber rounds are expensive! and to become skilled enough with your pistol you need to fire it ALOT.

If you really want a desert eagle then go with the .357 it has way more than enough power and to get used to firing it you can use the cheaper .38 caliber rounds.

I personaly would recommend you buy a different gun if its for personal defense. The "deagle" is very heavy and takes alot of practice to become fast with it. Why don't you look at a S&W .40 or .45..really well made guns and accurate. I have Colt Commander .45 and when I finally think its time for a new pistol I am going to get another colt or a S&W.

Don't get me wrong the deagle is a great hand gun but if your a newer shooter or on a budget..I'd would go with something else.

Wurm

[ 04-26-2002, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Wurm ]

[Lord of Alcohol]

*subliminal voice* ~Buy the .50 DE Milamber, buy the .50 DE Milamber~

[norompanlasolas]

im not going to get in a discussion on guns, firstly because this isnt the thread for it, and secondly because its not worth it.

it has striked me as really funny, though, and raised my curiosity, to see how many gun owners and gun "experts" are here on this forum (pretty much everybody above 25 years old i think). being a dungeonsanddragons, a roleplaying forum...

one has to wonder if its because of reading a lot of rulebooks, or of actual experience. if it is because of real experience and love for guns, its even more amazing. i never thought so many people loved guns, had guns and shot them regularly. i dunno, maybe its different over here in spain, or i hang out with the wrong group of friends. the only guns i get to see are in hands of the police, and a dreadful sight it is (so you can understand, a lot of my friends are what you would call squatters, or okupas as called here).

[ 04-26-2002, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: norompanlasolas ]

Originally posted by norompanlasolas: im not going to get in a discussion on guns, firstly because this isnt the thread for it, and secondly because its not worth it. it has striked me as really funny, though, and raised my curiosity, to see how many gun owners and gun "experts" are here on this forum (pretty much everybody above 25 years old i think). being a dungeonsanddragons, a roleplaying forum... one has to wonder if its because of reading a lot of rulebooks, or of actual experience. if it is because of real experience and love for guns, its even more amazing. i never thought so many people loved guns, had guns and shot them regularly. i dunno, maybe its different over here in spain, or i hang out with the wrong group of friends. the only guns i get to see are in hands of the police, and a dreadful sight it is (so you can understand, a lot of my friends are what you would call squatters, or okupas as called here).

Umm just to answer one of your questions. I didn't even know about Dungeons and Dragons untill circa 1982, I fired my first Shotgun in 1970 at 8 years of age, and it knocked me back into my dads arms, I was into shooting, hunting and fishing long long before I even knew there was a Dungeons and dragons..and there were no home computers and no internet, no video games at least not untill Pong came out in the late 70's so no it isnt the D&D action hero wannabe's that like guns.
Or rather..it isn't JUST the D&D action heroe wannabe's oh and it wasnt movies that got me interested either, I didn't go to my first in theatre move till Star Wars came out. My mom said she and my dad took me to see snowwhite when I was a baby..to a drive in...but I have no memory of it....and at that time there were only 3 channels on our TV one was a local college channel, abc and nbc...we couldnt get CBS where I was [img]smile.gif[/img] . Man how times have changed...I would also say that all of my friends and family had guns and hunted..it was a normal part of our lives.

[ 04-26-2002, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Lord of Alcohol]

Originally posted by norompanlasolas: im not going to get in a discussion on guns, firstly because this isnt the thread for it, and secondly because its not worth it. it has striked me as really funny, though, and raised my curiosity, to see how many gun owners and gun "experts" are here on this forum (pretty much everybody above 25 years old i think). being a dungeonsanddragons, a roleplaying forum... one has to wonder if its because of reading a lot of rulebooks, or of actual experience. if it is because of real experience and love for guns, its even more amazing. i never thought so many people loved guns, had guns and shot them regularly. i dunno, maybe its different over here in spain, or i hang out with the wrong group of friends. the only guns i get to see are in hands of the police, and a dreadful sight it is (so you can understand, a lot of my friends are what you would call squatters, or okupas as called here).

I learned about firearms from the US Marine Corps, and am capable of handling one safely And this is the General Discussion forum of a gaming board. So some of us play games and own guns. Thats why its being discussed here instead of the BGII or IWD forum right?

[norompanlasolas]

Originally posted by MagiK: Umm just to answer one of your questions. I didn't even know about Dungeons and Dragons untill circa 1982, I fired my first Shotgun in 1970 at 8 years of age, and it knocked me back into my dads arms, I was into shooting, hunting and fishing long long before I even knew there was a Dungeons and dragons..and there were no home computers and no internet, no video games at least not untill Pong came out in the late 70's so no it isnt the D&D action hero wannabe's that like guns. Or rather..it isn't JUST the D&D action heroe wannabe's oh and it wasnt movies that got me interested either, I didn't go to my first in theatre move till Star Wars came out. My mom said she and my dad took me to see snowwhite when I was a baby..to a drive in...but I have no memory of it....and at that time there were only 3 channels on our TV one was a local college channel, abc and nbc...we couldnt get CBS where I was [img]smile.gif[/img] . Man how times have changed...I would also say that all of my friends and family had guns and hunted..it was a normal part of our lives.

[quote]Originally posted by Lord of Alcohol:

I learned about firearms from the US Marine Corps, and am capable of handling one safely And this is the General Discussion forum of a gaming board. So some of us play games and own guns. Thats why its being discussed here instead of the BGII or IWD forum right?

i know i know... i wasnt referring to anyone in particular. of course there are gonna be people like you 2 who know a lot from actual exp and shoot guns regularly. it was just really strange to see so many of them here (and although its general discussion, everybody got here because of rpgs right?). you can certainly see my point, dont you?

[Lord of Alcohol]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by norompanlasolas:

Well obviously with as many members from as many countries there will be a cultural difference I wasnt trying to argue

[ 04-26-2002, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: Lord of Alcohol ]