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Any institution that is in business to make a profit, will MAKE A PROFIT, even at the expense of a federal government mishap. Especially if thay are voting at 0100 Hrs.
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12-22-2009, 08:03 AM | #82 |
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I guess you missed the part where Cerek watched Bowling for Columbine and had his stance on the movie significantly softened (while still standing by the well established proof of a stream of inaccuracies).
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And people wonder why cnn's got the lowest ratings of any cable news channel, and they were the first... And Faux News' ratings continue to soar... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/bu...7cnn.html?_r=1 Anyway, to get back to the question, I didn't source because, like I said a few posts ago, regardless of facts and sourced data, people like you will reject it because you don't like the person saying it. Removing the polarizing person from the equation forces you to look at relatively neutral facts.
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As for the differences between us, you've decided to dismiss anything Rush or Coulter have to say based on their previous works and history. My skepticism of Gore's film was based on the same thing; his past actions which have been shown to either be hypocritical (lower your carbon footprint) or self-serving (buy carbon offsets from this company I own). The fact that his film was proven to contain numerous errors and outright lies just serves to confirm my skepticism. Despite all of that, though, I'm still willing to watch the film to see what valid points he may have. Quote:
But, as you said, it's all cool. You and SM accept Gore's efforts because you agree with much of what he says. I agreed that Coulter and Limbaugh use too much hate rhetoric, but I still agree with many of the points they make (once the rhetoric is filtered out). See, we're really not so different after all.
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You listed 3 reasons there, all of which are related to this movie you haven't seen. You have done no research of your own - why do you expect credibility here? He's not a polarizing figure who goes on TV every two weeks, says something ourtrageous, and gets more attention. He's not a political commentator. Both Rushie and Coulter are. What'd someone call them before...the wages of hate?
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No, i've heard this before (we've been down this road more than once). It's a bit of a red herring. If you already know your stance can be "significantly softened", wouldn't you, from then on, make it your personal business to view these movies beforehand? This requires action on his part, not on any of ours. It is not enough to say "Oh well I did actually change my mind after someone dropped a movie in my lap". Go out and track the movie down yourself. If you're not motivated to do so, then it can't mean all that much to you in the first place. *shrug*
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12-22-2009, 04:12 PM | #89 |
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In *my* personal view, it wouldn't make any difference. See, you get yourself into a paradox with things like this for the sole reason that you spoke before you saw. For example, if you saw the movie, and still felt the same I could say "What a shocker. Why am I not surprised?". But if you saw it and did a complete 360 on it, lauding it as a movie to remember, with much depth and a clear message, then you'd appear hypocrital because you'd been saying the opposite all this time, and would lose even MORE credibility. So, this is why I say, for me, it would be pointless. Now for you personally, I would still recommend it, but certainly you've muddied the waters as far as opinion goes and I would have to discount your review regardless of which way it went. This is not rocket science, I know you see my reasoning, regardless of whether you like it or not. Let's move on?
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Pssst, if he did a 360, he'd come right back to the view he has now.
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