Legalize it? (not very minor-friendly)

Sir ReGiN · 02-15-2002, 01:46 PM

Okay, I know I'm pushing the limits here, but I have thought f asking this a long time..
If a mod wants to close it, notify me, and I'll do it myself

Now to the question:

Should hasch/marijuana be legalized?
Both to grow, use and sell?
I know it is in some countries but in most it's still illegal..
And it's not that more dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes really, it can be a very effective stress-killer, instead of taking alot of poisonous pills..
The down-side is of course that it might lead you on to heavier stuff, but so can alcohol and cigarettes..
I can't really think of a down-side to it..
Apart from the occasional psycosis, but that's quite rare really..
And that you get bad lungs, of course..but again, you can get that from smoking cigarettes..
What's your opinion?

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Jerome · 02-15-2002, 01:52 PM

Hell, it would be fine with me if they leagalised all narcotics. And no, not for my own usage.

I think it's only a matter of time before it's leagalised, in Britain anyway. Other countries i'm not so sure about.

Lavindathar · 02-15-2002, 01:54 PM

I think it should be legalised, and I don't think this is inapropriate at all!

Most kids have done/do it. It is a natural substance, and is much safer than alchohol in my opinion. It isn't a hard drug, and has no side effects.It can even ease pain and other medical ailments. The only reason it isn't legal in my opinion, is because governments cannot tax it. They can tax beer, and other stuff, and make a fortune. But not "weed" as it is natural. It does no harm at all, and the only sideeffect: is that you get high, which is why we do it.

Simple.

At least we all know now Regin is a pothead!

Sir ReGiN · 02-15-2002, 01:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Lavindathar:
I think it should be legalised, and I don't think this is inapropriate at all!

Most kids have done/do it. It is a natural substance, and is much safer than alchohol in my opinion. It isn't a hard drug, and has no side effects.It can even ease pain and other medical ailments. The only reason it isn't legal in my opinion, is because governments cannot tax it. They can tax beer, and other stuff, and make a fortune. But not "weed" as it is natural. It does no harm at all, and the only sideeffect: is that you get high, which is why we do it.

Simple.

At least we all know now Regin is a pothead!

Hrrm..I wouldn't know anything about that

[img]tongue.gif[/img]

And you're probarbly right about the government thing..anything they can't get money from they make illegel..
And what about the fact that it might stop the bad liquor (home-brewed) and bad light drugs on the street if it was legalized..

J'aran · 02-15-2002, 03:32 PM

The biggest merit of legalizing hash & marihuana is that it will be out of the criminal circuit. Which means that you don't have to go to some shady dealer, who will try to get you hooked on more dangerous stuff, to get it. As said, it is not a lot worse than normal cigarettes, and in fact a lot less bad than alcohol.

Campino · 02-15-2002, 03:35 PM

Imo,if softdrugs are used as medication,to soften the pain
and to make life more bearable,i don't mind.But to legalize it,is going to far,i think.I live in Holland,where it's very easy to get drugs.And i don't agree with our government on this.You have to draw the line somewhere.You do get inconvenience with soft drugs,and i don't want that.

So i have to disagree on this with you Sir Regin.

Barry the Sprout · 02-15-2002, 03:36 PM

I am definately with you on this Regin. Time and time again it has been proven to not be physically addictive, and not be physically harmful. However it can be mentally addictive. This argument loses weight when you think that pretty much anything can be mentally addictive. Even posting on IW could be addicitive to some people (heaven forbid... [img]tongue.gif[/img] ).

Basically it is a double standard of most countries law to allow alcohol and other drugs not simply legality, but also social necessity, yet to resign hash to the social dustbin. I do not know the reasoning behind it. Often it is argued that hash leads to hard drugs, but surely this is only because they are sold by the same dealer? There is no scientific or medial connection, simply a logistical one. By making grass illegal you force people who want to use it to be subjected to harder drugs pretty much whenever they want to buy some. So yes, this logic follows if hash is illegal. If it is legal and sold through regulated outlets, like alcohol, then the logistic chain is necessarily broken. So I kind of think that that argument against it is unfounded at best.

(BTW Regin, I too have been deliberating whether or not to start this thread for a while. I didn't know if it would be acceptable or not really. But now that you have started it...

)

Sir ReGiN · 02-15-2002, 03:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Campino:
Imo,if softdrugs are used as medication,to soften the pain
and to make life more bearable,i don't mind.But to legalize it,is going to far,i think.I live in Holland,where it's very easy to get drugs.And i don't agree with our government on this.You have to draw the line somewhere.You do get inconvenience with soft drugs,and i don't want that.

So i have to disagree on this with you Sir Regin.

Interesting
I want both for and againsts [img]smile.gif[/img]
And Holland's view on drugs is, as most know, pretty liberal..
So how come you have that kind of view and most other dountries don't?
What's so special about Holland?

EDITED due to a strange case of mis-reading

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Campino · 02-15-2002, 03:52 PM

I can tell you many things why Holland is special,but none of them
are drugs-related [img]smile.gif[/img] I have a very clear opinion on this subject,
because i have seen all sorts of trouble and rubbish around me,
near my house and with my friends.Although i do know there are some good
things about hasjies,the bad side always comes first for me.

And i'm not sorry for disagreeing,i just do [img]smile.gif[/img]

MILAMBER · 02-15-2002, 03:55 PM

I'm all for legalizing it. Personally, I have no head for weed so I just drink, but to each their own.

BTW, all of you who say it's no worse then cigarettes you are wrong. A joint that is exactly the size of a cigarette is 7-8 times worse for you.

02-15-2002, 01:46 PM	#1
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 42 Posts: 2,563	Okay, I know I'm pushing the limits here, but I have thought f asking this a long time.. If a mod wants to close it, notify me, and I'll do it myself Now to the question: Should hasch/marijuana be legalized? Both to grow, use and sell? I know it is in some countries but in most it's still illegal.. And it's not that more dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes really, it can be a very effective stress-killer, instead of taking alot of poisonous pills.. The down-side is of course that it might lead you on to heavier stuff, but so can alcohol and cigarettes.. I can't really think of a down-side to it.. Apart from the occasional psycosis, but that's quite rare really.. And that you get bad lungs, of course..but again, you can get that from smoking cigarettes.. What's your opinion? [ 02-15-2002: Message edited by: Sir ReGiN ] [ 02-15-2002: Message edited by: Sir ReGiN ] __________________ Take a look at your Promised Land<br />Your deed is that gun in your hand

02-15-2002, 01:52 PM	#2
Jerome Knight of the Rose Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Scotland Age: 38 Posts: 4,418	Hell, it would be fine with me if they leagalised all narcotics. And no, not for my own usage. I think it's only a matter of time before it's leagalised, in Britain anyway. Other countries i'm not so sure about. __________________ Psychos do not explode when hit by sunlight, no matter how crazy they are!

02-15-2002, 01:54 PM	#3
Lavindathar Harper Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Lancs, England Age: 39 Posts: 4,729	I think it should be legalised, and I don't think this is inapropriate at all! Most kids have done/do it. It is a natural substance, and is much safer than alchohol in my opinion. It isn't a hard drug, and has no side effects.It can even ease pain and other medical ailments. The only reason it isn't legal in my opinion, is because governments cannot tax it. They can tax beer, and other stuff, and make a fortune. But not "weed" as it is natural. It does no harm at all, and the only sideeffect: is that you get high, which is why we do it. Simple. At least we all know now Regin is a pothead! __________________ =@

02-15-2002, 01:58 PM	#4
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 42 Posts: 2,563	quote: Originally posted by Lavindathar: I think it should be legalised, and I don't think this is inapropriate at all! Most kids have done/do it. It is a natural substance, and is much safer than alchohol in my opinion. It isn't a hard drug, and has no side effects.It can even ease pain and other medical ailments. The only reason it isn't legal in my opinion, is because governments cannot tax it. They can tax beer, and other stuff, and make a fortune. But not "weed" as it is natural. It does no harm at all, and the only sideeffect: is that you get high, which is why we do it. Simple. At least we all know now Regin is a pothead! Hrrm..I wouldn't know anything about that [img]tongue.gif[/img] And you're probarbly right about the government thing..anything they can't get money from they make illegel.. And what about the fact that it might stop the bad liquor (home-brewed) and bad light drugs on the street if it was legalized.. __________________ Take a look at your Promised Land<br />Your deed is that gun in your hand

02-15-2002, 03:35 PM	#6
Campino Avatar Join Date: November 12, 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 55 Posts: 522	Imo,if softdrugs are used as medication,to soften the pain and to make life more bearable,i don't mind.But to legalize it,is going to far,i think.I live in Holland,where it's very easy to get drugs.And i don't agree with our government on this.You have to draw the line somewhere.You do get inconvenience with soft drugs,and i don't want that. So i have to disagree on this with you Sir Regin. __________________

02-15-2002, 03:32 PM	#5
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 1,493	The biggest merit of legalizing hash & marihuana is that it will be out of the criminal circuit. Which means that you don't have to go to some shady dealer, who will try to get you hooked on more dangerous stuff, to get it. As said, it is not a lot worse than normal cigarettes, and in fact a lot less bad than alcohol.

02-15-2002, 03:36 PM	#7
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 41 Posts: 1,815	I am definately with you on this Regin. Time and time again it has been proven to not be physically addictive, and not be physically harmful. However it can be mentally addictive. This argument loses weight when you think that pretty much anything can be mentally addictive. Even posting on IW could be addicitive to some people (heaven forbid... [img]tongue.gif[/img] ). Basically it is a double standard of most countries law to allow alcohol and other drugs not simply legality, but also social necessity, yet to resign hash to the social dustbin. I do not know the reasoning behind it. Often it is argued that hash leads to hard drugs, but surely this is only because they are sold by the same dealer? There is no scientific or medial connection, simply a logistical one. By making grass illegal you force people who want to use it to be subjected to harder drugs pretty much whenever they want to buy some. So yes, this logic follows if hash is illegal. If it is legal and sold through regulated outlets, like alcohol, then the logistic chain is necessarily broken. So I kind of think that that argument against it is unfounded at best. (BTW Regin, I too have been deliberating whether or not to start this thread for a while. I didn't know if it would be acceptable or not really. But now that you have started it... ) __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

02-15-2002, 03:45 PM	#8
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 42 Posts: 2,563	quote: Originally posted by Campino: Imo,if softdrugs are used as medication,to soften the pain and to make life more bearable,i don't mind.But to legalize it,is going to far,i think.I live in Holland,where it's very easy to get drugs.And i don't agree with our government on this.You have to draw the line somewhere.You do get inconvenience with soft drugs,and i don't want that. So i have to disagree on this with you Sir Regin. Interesting I want both for and againsts [img]smile.gif[/img] And Holland's view on drugs is, as most know, pretty liberal.. So how come you have that kind of view and most other dountries don't? What's so special about Holland? EDITED due to a strange case of mis-reading [ 02-15-2002: Message edited by: Sir ReGiN ] __________________ Take a look at your Promised Land<br />Your deed is that gun in your hand

02-15-2002, 03:52 PM	#9
Campino Avatar Join Date: November 12, 2001 Location: Netherlands Age: 55 Posts: 522	I can tell you many things why Holland is special,but none of them are drugs-related [img]smile.gif[/img] I have a very clear opinion on this subject, because i have seen all sorts of trouble and rubbish around me, near my house and with my friends.Although i do know there are some good things about hasjies,the bad side always comes first for me. And i'm not sorry for disagreeing,i just do [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________

02-15-2002, 03:55 PM	#10
MILAMBER Lord Soth Join Date: March 5, 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,948	I'm all for legalizing it. Personally, I have no head for weed so I just drink, but to each their own. BTW, all of you who say it's no worse then cigarettes you are wrong. A joint that is exactly the size of a cigarette is 7-8 times worse for you. __________________ \"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.\"<br />-General George Patton (1885-1945)<br /> <br />Member of CLAN HADB<br />Founder of The Anti Clan Coalition

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