US Soldier captured by Iraqi terrorist scum

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: How is this relevant to the rush to war and poorly planned and executed occupation?

Who says there was a rush to war? You? Who says it was poorly planed? You? Who says there is an occupation? You? Sorry but you will have to...oh what was that turned phrase...Oh yeah...You'll have to try a new schitck to impress or sway me. [/QUOTE]I would try battering it and deep-frying it Chewie. They can't seem to resist anything deep-fried. Although I'm not sure just how appetizing deep-fried 'schitck' would be.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: How is this relevant to the rush to war and poorly planned and executed occupation?

Who says there was a rush to war? You? Who says it was poorly planed? You? Who says there is an occupation? You? [/QUOTE]Not just me, not to mention the mere facts, which are, of course ,open to interpretation.

What opinions and interpretation of the facts do you have to counter these assertions? Why was the war waged at the right time? Why couldn't it wait as little as six months? How exactly were the post-war "occupation" plans adequate considering the outcome? If not an occuaption, then what was it?

If "You?" is all you got, you definitly need a new schickt. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: Not just me, not to mention the mere facts, which are, of course ,open to interpretation. What opinions and interpretation of the facts do you have to counter these assertions? Why was the war waged at the right time? Why couldn't it wait as little as six months? How exactly were the post-war "occupation" plans adequate considering the outcome? If not an occuaption, then what was it? If "You?" is all you got, you definitly need a new schickt. [img]smile.gif[/img]

1)350 miles into enemy territory in a week, conquering the enemy capital, 3nd most lopsided military victory since history has been recorded, 2nd being Desert Storm, 1st being Gideon's victory over the Asyrians, though that one might not count cause he had Divine help.
2)The people we pay to make those decisions, decided then was the time.
3) See 2
4)See Iraqi elections
5)Coalition troops maintianing order until a new Iraqi gov't can take over.

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Davros: The title shows a lack of class on his part and racist xenophobia. He could have used lots of alternatives. His only defence is "I won't change". Sounds like a bit of the "Fair and Balanced" one coming through. I can understand how people get this mindset if they watch too much FOX. It should not be OK to offend people - the title is offensive. Linking Iraqi and terrorist is OK, linking terrorist and scum is OK - either of those would have done the trick. Linking a country with scum is offensive. It doesn't become unoffensive because you have troops in that country. Link a country and their citizens to the word scum and you develop the inbred hatred and rage that dominated those that dished out the way over the top abuse at Abu Ghraib. I bet all those guys wandered about calling Iraqii's scum too. Let's promote that shall we? Not me!!!

OK {edit} Inattentive person incapable of independent thought {/edit}, apparently while picking apart my title you neglected to notice the qulifiers in said title, I did not call Iraq scum, nor did I refer to Iraqis as scum, I said "Iraqi Terrorist Scum" which means quite literally Iraqi's who are terrorists are scum, what part of that is so hard for YOUR racist xenophobic mind to comprehend.

Furthermore, Iraqi's are made up of several ethnic groups, not one, so calling it racist is about the same as calling my distaste for Islam racist, Islamofascists (which all faithful adherents to that barbaric death cult are. Don't believe me, I can quote you hundreds of verses both from the hadiths and Koran proving my point I would rather resolve that over PM to respect the moratorium) come from nearly all races, ethnic groups, skin colors, regions, or whatever other delineator you choose to use to apply your hateful slur against me to try and detract from the validity of anything I have to say.

[ 02-02-2005, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

Originally posted by Morgeruat: quote: Originally posted by Davros: The title shows a lack of class on his part and racist xenophobia. He could have used lots of alternatives. His only defence is "I won't change". Sounds like a bit of the "Fair and Balanced" one coming through. I can understand how people get this mindset if they watch too much FOX. It should not be OK to offend people - the title is offensive. Linking Iraqi and terrorist is OK, linking terrorist and scum is OK - either of those would have done the trick. Linking a country with scum is offensive. It doesn't become unoffensive because you have troops in that country. Link a country and their citizens to the word scum and you develop the inbred hatred and rage that dominated those that dished out the way over the top abuse at Abu Ghraib. I bet all those guys wandered about calling Iraqii's scum too. Let's promote that shall we? Not me!!!

OK {edit} Inattentive person incapable of independent thought {/edit}, apparently while picking apart my title you neglected to notice the qulifiers in said title, I did not call Iraq scum, nor Iraqi's as scum, I said "Iraqi Terrorist Scum" which means quite literally Iraqi's who are terrorists are scum, what part of that is so hard for YOUR racist xenophobic mind to comprehend.

Furthermore, Iraqi's are made up of several ethnic groups, not one, so calling it racist is about the same as calling my distaste for Islam racist, Islamofascists (which all faithful adherents to that barbaric death cult are. Don't believe me, I can quote you hundreds of verses both from the hadiths and Koran proving my point I would rather resolve that over PM to respect the moratorium) come from nearly all races, ethnic groups, skin colors, regions, whatever delineator you choose to use to apply your hateful slur against me to try and detract from the validity of anything I have to say. [/QUOTE]Maybe it's just my tender sensibilities, but it seems that calling Islam a "barbaric death cult" may just be a little over the line in terms of what's allowed here.
But don't let me spoil your rant...

[Davros]

Originally posted by Absynthe: Maybe it's just my tender sensibilities, but it seems that calling Islam a "barbaric death cult" may just be a little over the line in terms of what's allowed here. But don't let me spoil your rant...

Nope Absynthe - it's not just YOUR tender sensibilities - it's most anyone's that actually gives a sh** about their fellow man. No one doubts that the seeds of hatred that created Abu Ghraib are still out there. Slurs like the ones you and I highlighted are just the sort of dung that fertilizes them and makes them grow. The article makes way too many generalizations between Iraqii's and the bad guys. What about all the millions of Iraqii's that support and thank GWB for their liberation. Some would say they are not deserving of the guilt by association that these trashy titles and articles propogate.

Still - rant away I say - it only helps to strengthen the points that I make.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Azred: quote: Originally posted by shamrock_uk: And don't leave the forum! What, with Magik being temporarily MIA, the CE forum is in danger of becoming 'left-heavy'. And that just wouldn't be interesting.

Fear not, shamrock_uk! I will make sure the forum is not "left-heavy". I am on the right because I am right. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Just didn't want you and JD getting overwhelmed with strength of numbers

Re. the rest...whilst it might be possible to argue cogently that Islam is a 'barbaric death cult', this probably isn't the place to be having that debate given the TOS an' all.

I would, however, emphasise that the Muslims you see on TV (which, after all, are usually only on tv becaue they've done some awful deed) are not representative of the billion or so mainstream Muslim's who just try to live good lives by their beliefs like the rest of us...

The Muslim's you see being terrorists are following a perversion of Islam, separate from mainstream beliefs - it would be like calling me a Christian if you'd seen me on TV after a murderous rampage amongst a group of homesexuals. I might claim I was Christian and doing God's work because there is some evidence of disapproval in the Bible - but at the same time I would be completely ignoring the central messages that Jesus brought: of love for your fellow man, tolerance and forgiveness.

I hope that comparison is of some use...now lets get back to discussing the story before we be get'n a-closed down [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 02-03-2005, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[Davros]

As opposed to logic or anything - right Shamrock .

[shamrock_uk]

See two posts up for a rather belated edit by the way everyone...

[Morgeruat]

Davros, you want to complain about abuses, how about the FACT that in Iran girls as young as 9 are tried and can be put to death as adults. Stonings for adultery, honor killings for perceived impugning of family honor, the genocide in Sudan. I've only heard you complain about what the US has done, lets hear some of your self righteous fury directed against the inhumanities in 3rd world countries that result in a life of hell for those involved. I know you hate the US with a passion, but why not educate yourself and direct some of that bile towards the truly despicable peoples on earth.