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Old 02-05-2004, 09:29 AM   #21
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It's funny, Larry, I had been wondering how long it would take for someone to bring that past post of mine up. Let me say this:

1) As long as I was contributing and posting, I would have never mentionned giving the money. I do neither now except for the exceptions you see in this thread. I did not want anyone to know how much I contributed because I did not want anyone to ever think that I thought myself better or whatever to anyone else. It is apparent from your post, Larry, that although we have been on this forum for years together, as a person you really do not know me at all.

2) The fact of the matter is that Dan often wanted to recognize me publicly and I would not let him (see above.) He DID want to do things for me, but all over the years I ever let him DO for me was to give me a tgeweb e-mail account and an ironworksforum e-mail account when my tgeweb one wouldn't work anymore. AND he sent me his first hand-made comic book that I treasure greatly.

3) If you really are interested in seeing what makes me tick and why I am this way, let me direct you to this thread

4) You show you complete ignorace of my character, Larry. Actually in August in a phone conversation with Dan, he in fact, DID offer to ban this person. I asked him not to. The reasons why were discussed between Dan and me.

Larry, you do not believe me here, I really could care less. Think about this, would I really be so stupid to post something like this in public if it were not true? Dan has posted in this thread and I believe that if anything I have said is not true he would have "exposed me."

Just so you know, just to make sure, I pmed Dan about this thread and the similar thread at The Silver River.

As I said, if anything I have said in this post is untrue, let Dan say so. Other people close to me know that this is true as well.

And yes.......I did "blow my cover."
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Old 02-05-2004, 10:22 AM   #22

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I've know Reeka for a very long time, and she is most certainly not a liar. Accusations like this really make my skin crawl. Not only has she made considerable donations in the past, she also uses her own message board to promote Zirocs cause, and to urge people to donate. You are all free to believe whatever you want, but I am inclined to believe her. Reeka; keep it up girl. Don't let this incident discourage you [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 02-05-2004, 10:48 AM   #23
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Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
I have some problems with your post.
And I have some problems with yours.

First off, why don't you just come out and call her a liar, or would that take too much balls?

Second, you should be careful not to speak about things you know little about, much less make accusations about people that you *obviously* know little about. Not only does it make you look stupid, it makes you look like an ass.

1. If you really did do what you said you did, Ziroc owes you public recognition and maybe benefits that no other member has, since you practically paid for all this stuff. What I do not get is that you suggest that you and he both think that a member giving you trouble would cause you to not post here anymore. In fact, if it were my website and you paid me that much to keep the site running, I would ban the people that were hassling you, in order to keep the one person that has kept this place running all this time. Since this has not happened, I am inclined to not believe your story.
Here's the thing, it's not YOUR website and it's not YOUR place to determine what Dan should or shouldn't do. Reeka's status on this forum is because she EARNED it, not because she bought her way in. You ever think for a second that perhaps someone who donates does so because they truly want to help and NOT because they want special privileges? Apparently not, because in the absence of special privileges, you immediately assume foul play. You immediately assume that Reeka must be lying just because she's not labelled the Queen of the Forum. How telling. Did you think that perhaps such issues regarding banning or taking action against other members HAVE been discussed by Reeka and Dan? And, perhaps Reeka didn't WANT to use her donations as a means of getting people banned. How childish would that be?! That's NOT Reeka. That's not the mindset she has...even though it's apparently the mindset of some.

Reeka has helped me tremendously when I've needed it recently, donating money to keep my server up. I would have lost my server had it not been for her. Did she ask for *anything* in return? NO. In fact, she asked that I NOT bring it up on said forum. She specifically said that she didn't want people to know. Now, I may give her opinions just a teeny bit more weight than others because of her donations, but that's on ME...not HER. It's not something she asked for, it's not something she demanded, and if I do that, it's MY decision. Just as it's Dan's.

So, personally I very much resent the implication from you that a dear friend of mine is lying. Especially when you have extremely little knowledge about the situation and apparently very little knowledge about what makes Reeka tick.

You owe her an apology, plain and simple. And a public one at that.
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Old 02-05-2004, 11:09 AM   #24

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Larry- out of place. Can't say much that Sil hasn't, except you are meant to be a moderator. Your are meant to try prevent stuff like that, not cause it.

Oh and for admin- The report post feature is broken, it said to tell you that.
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Old 02-05-2004, 12:30 PM   #25

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Larry, did it occur to you that if Reeka was lying, Ziroc would have taken some action by now? He has posted in this thread since then, its beyond belief that he would not have noticed.
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Old 02-05-2004, 01:17 PM   #26
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Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
I have some problems with your post.

You flat out owe Reeka an apology.

And you need to think about what being a moderator means. You needlessly hurt Reeka's feelings and got a LOT of people angry. At the very least you should have asked Dan about Reeka before you posted your attack. If you had done so you wouldn't have posted it.
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Old 02-05-2004, 01:37 PM   #27
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Larry, I'm afraid that your post does come off sounding quite rude to Reeka.

I'd like to point out that what anyone gives or doesn't give should be a private thing between them and the one receiving the donation. If a person wishes to reveal how much or how often they've made a monetary gift, that's their business. Whether someone discloses or doesn't disclose the amounts, they deserve respect for giving if they have the ability and for simply being members here at IW.

Now, let's not forget that Dan started this thread because he needs help to keep IW going this month and try and put it back on topic. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-05-2004, 02:23 PM   #28
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Ah, this is the second time I've seen Larry jump on Reeka and abusing his mod position to try to embarrass her in public. Last time he did it he got demodded for a month. Let's see if anything happens this time.

Oh, Larry, was the person who encouraged you to jump on Reeka a few months ago the same person who encouraged you to make this totally senseless, ignorant and hurtful post? If so, then I'm afraid they've landed you in even *more* trouble than they did last time.

I'm surprised you're so easily manipulated.

A few points.

1. Reeka gave alot of money to Dan. I know - I've seen the thank you emails. Larry, you are not the centre of the universe. The fact you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist.

2. Reeka is being harassed by an extremely, but unworthily, popular and powerful member of this board on an almost constant basis. In fact, what this person is doing is tantamount to stalking. Don't believe me? Ask Dan instead of shooting your mouth off in public. Engage brain before putting mouth in gear.

Oh, this person has been caught red-handed before. This is how Reeka found out about it - this person started saying bad things to someone who was (unbeknownst to her) one of Reeka's friends. Reeka confronted this person, and after it was settled, she considered the matter closed. However, it never stopped. in fact, being humiliated by being caught only made this person more eager to spread the vicious lies about Reeka to people. I know this happens, because many members of our forum, many close friends of ours, are or were IW members, and have had this person tell these lies to them.

Dan knows about it. Dan also knows about this person's past history, filled with events like this (as does just about everybody who has been in any position to deal with them at other forums). Just because you, Larry, don't know about it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

It doesn't happen in public - it happens in private. In PMs to members, spreading lies about Reeka on a 1-to-1 basis. Telling people to avoid her, not post back to her, don't get in chat with her, don't reply to her PMs, don't multiplay with her, that she's a manipulator, that she uses people and dumps them. It involves people who have felt so pressured by this person that they have told Reeka on more than one occasion, "I would have loved to talk to you more before this, but I was afraid of the way 'X' would react." It involves the sabotaging of multiplayer BG games to keep Reeka out. It happens in chat, when nobody who knows better is about. It is targetted.

And it didn't stop when this person was caught - it stopped for a fortnight, then started again. That's approaching almost 3 years of continual harassment, folks. Could you put up with that, Larry? If you did, would you relish people calling you a liar because you didn't stand up and shout about it the moment it happened?

It happens to every successful, smart or beautiful woman this person runs in to, at a number of forums. Reeka isn't the only one, but she's the main one. It happens because this person is not smart or beautiful or successful, but merely jealous.

3. Dan offered to ban this person the instant Reeka told him what was going on. Out of the kindness of her heart, Reeka didn't want him to ban this person because she didn't want to rock the boat at IW by banning a very popular member who would cry foul, in the way all sleazebags do. Undoubtedly, some of this person's closest friends would defend them, no matter what.

After all, when people first exposed Talon Shadowhawk the child molester, his friends came running to his defence, oblivious to what he had done in secret. This would cause alot of friction. I disagreed with this, but hey, it's Reeka's decision and Dan's board. I'm beginning to think I should have pushed harder to get Reeka to ask Dan to ban this person. Even Dan, who despises this peron, will not bring it up in public, fearful of causing the kind of upset on his board that you seem to be doing your level best to bring about.

Ironically, how do you think it makes this person feel to know that the only reason they remain so popular a member of IW is because of the very member they are so insanely jealous of? Well, trust me, it's not grateful. Actually, they are probably fuming when they read this, because they will see that the popularity they have to scheme and plot and push for on an almost constant basis comes to Reeka simply because of who she is. That's probably why this all started.

4. When I first found out about this person harassing my sweetie, I asked her how long it had been going on. Well, let me tell you - it was 2 years before she finally decided to tell Dan. That's right, she sucked it up for 2 years just so this forum wouldn't turn into a flameground for days, and so that you and Dan and everyone else could continue to have fun without a big bust-up happening. She didn't tell him because she didn't want Dan to feel she was abusing her position as his friend to try and get him to take action he woulnd't normally take. In the end, when this person started making personally hurtful comments in public on this board, it just got too much, and she told him.

How long would you have put up with that kind of harassment without whingeing, Larry? Would you have kept your mouth shut because you wouldn't want to cause bad feeling here at IW? Obviously not, because you've just shown yourself sadly incapable of keeping youir mouth shut and your ill-conceived opinions to yourself.

5. Not everybody in life gives, expecting to receive in return. Maybe you would not have contributed without expecting some kind of reward, but then, Reeka's simply a better person than you are, as you have so ably proved. Look at the replies you see. Look how many people simply won't believe you when you basically call her a liar in public. Do you think this is all a coincidence? No, it's because Reeka is a genuinely caring, thoughtful, helpful person, and people know this. It's why I love her.

Do you have any idea how upset it used to make her when the donations threads would go up, and people would post about how much they had contributed, and the younger or poorer members of the board would post, feeling like they had to offer excuses for not being able to donate? No, I don't expect you do. That's part of the reason she contributed so much - so that those not able to contribute wouldn't feel so pressured into having to make excuses, or try to give whatever they could or couldn't afford.

6. I've already wasted more than enough time on you. I have done so, not because I have any regard for your opinion, but because I have a high regard for many of the members at IW who may be swayed by the rampant stupidity you posted, simply because you are a moderator. The vast majority of IWers are good and thoughtful people, and it is for their benefit that I have posted here. Maybe I can help them understand a little of why Reeka made that post.

Understanding is obviously completely beyond you.

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Old 02-05-2004, 03:13 PM   #29
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I would donate as always but I am still too young and my parents don`t trust such things. (Please exscuse them)

What I don`t understand is... if Larry jumped on Reeka twice already why is he a moderator anyway? I tought that mods were the last people to to such a thing and I think that they should be very patient and prevent such things not cause it.
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Old 02-05-2004, 03:18 PM   #30
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As I am sure there will be rubuttle here, but I hope this thread comes to a peacefull end soon, that way we can get back to the topic of donations.

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