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Old 09-21-2004, 08:16 PM   #41
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The fact that Hitler believed he was doing the right thing is justification enough.
For what?
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Old 09-21-2004, 09:26 PM   #42
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For what he did.
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Old 09-22-2004, 07:47 AM   #43
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Believing something is right does not justify it.
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Old 09-22-2004, 11:01 AM   #44
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You will find people that compare Bush to Hitler, but the trick is finding an even marginally credible person to do so with any realism.
If I were to compare Bush to Hitler, it would be for the sole reason that both individuals have such an ammount of authority over such a powerful machine that it is hardly rational to even consider giving them, or anyone for that matter, that power.

The political system of one man having the opportunity to govern the finances, foreign affairs, internal affairs and so on of a country as powerful as Germany at the time of World War II or the United States at present day is IMHO a system that is ready for a drastic change.

Realism, or the ability to act rational for the same matter, is a principle that I think is bestowed to no one on this planet. Sure, you can tell yourself you live by the 'globally accepted' moral values [such as who is evil, and what is considered good] but emotion is a far more powerful tool than being rational is being realistic. In the heat of battle no one is innocent.

Solemnly blaming Hitler for what happened in WWII is as stupid as placing the blame on the guy who scored the own goal that lost the match.
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Old 09-22-2004, 11:43 AM   #45
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You forget that Bush has to answer to the Senate, Hitler didn't answer to anyone but himself.
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Old 09-22-2004, 12:12 PM   #46
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If I were to compare Bush to Hitler, it would be for the sole reason that both individuals have such an ammount of authority over such a powerful machine that it is hardly rational to even consider giving them, or anyone for that matter, that power.

The political system of one man having the opportunity to govern the finances, foreign affairs, internal affairs and so on of a country as powerful as Germany at the time of World War II or the United States at present day is IMHO a system that is ready for a drastic change.
I hear what you are saying Link, but the comparison still doesn't work. Hitler had all those powers you speak of, but Bush simply does not. Bush cannot act without consequence and is not the ultimate word on the US. Yes he is powerful, but he isn't the sole word on US internal and external policies.

Now he may convince the US population of things the rest of the world does not believe, but even on this level, Bush is nothing like Hitler, who was extremely charismatic and well liked.

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Old 09-22-2004, 07:18 PM   #47
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Believing something is right does not justify it.
If you believe that morality is personally relative, it does.
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Old 09-22-2004, 07:51 PM   #48
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Believing something is right does not justify it.
If you believe that morality is personally relative, it does. [/QUOTE]Hitler knew damn well that what he did was wrong, why else would he take his own life ? If he really thought he was on the right side of things, a good spokesman like he was, would have been quite a sight in a court of law.
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Old 09-22-2004, 09:09 PM   #49
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He took his own life because people were coming to kill him, and he'd not want to give anyone that satisfaction. Plus he was insane the last months of his life because of drugs given to him by his doctor.
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Old 09-22-2004, 09:25 PM   #50
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What an enlightning question, are we stoned again ?
Nope, quite sober today.
But allow me to rephrase the question, seeing as people seem unwilling to look beyond face value...
Why would the opinions of 'six million dead jews' regarding absolute morality matter to a moral relativist?
[/QUOTE]You are correct, to a moral relativist everything is relative so the opinions of and about 6,000,000 killed humans means nothing. But then to a moral relativist the opinions of 6,000,000,000 living humans means nothing either, including the moral relativist's opinion, so who gives a rat's rear end what a moral relativist thinks, they don't even care so why should anybody else?
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