What to do about Sadam Hussain?

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Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
Sorry to inject a level of reality into this otherwise quite nice discussion but good ole Hussein hasn't actually got any weapons. Pretty much every weapons inspector has said so since day one. He definately does not have the capacity to produce or fire any weapons of mass desctruction and 95% of all other weapons are accounted for. This doesn't even mean that he has the other 5% hidden, just that we haven't found them yet. It is a big country in pretty much complete chaos after 10 years of bombing. I am surprised we have found even that many normal weapons.

What should be done? We should stop the sanctions, stop the bombing and let the Iraqis decide what they want to do. If we keep playing god like this then of course we are going to get ourselves hated and attacked. Continuing action against him when we simply don't need to is frankly madness. That is my opinion and it is not born out of gainsay anti-americanism as Britain has been involved in this since day one as well.

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Wrongo Barry The UN inspectors said he doesnt have weapons in the places he allowed them to go..He did however kick them out several times untill he could clean up the fascility that was going to be visited, the UN inspectors have Lodged so many protests and have made many reports that they were unable to complete the inspections. There is a really good Non-fiction novel writen by one of the lead inspectors out...dont remember the name but it detailed how the UN inspectors were time and again put off, diverted, harrassed, intimidated and threatened...I wouldnt bet YOUR life that Saddam has no weapons dude.

Where do I ge toff on acting like a knowit all on threats to the USA?? its cause I was in the business [img]smile.gif[/img] it was my life. You should appreciate the intelligence work being done on everyones behalf by the USA and its soldiers and intelligence agents. Do NOT dismiss their warnings, for the last 12 years people were blowing off the intel community, slashing their budgets and resources and Sept. 11th was the result.

[Redblueflare]

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Originally posted by Azred:
Hussein is a non-entity in world politics anymore. The only reason to talk about him is for sound bytes in the news or to genereate public response. It is only a matter of time before one of his generals ousts him in a coup.

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This is exactly what I was thinking. Instead of getting our hands dirty, like we attempted to do with Castro. (Many assasination failures on that one. [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) Just let country do the dirty work for us. There may be a few general's that don't like Hussein, but as far as I know he's well liked in his country.

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

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Originally posted by MagiK:
Do NOT dismiss their warnings, for the last 12 years people were blowing off the intel community, slashing their budgets and resources and Sept. 11th was the result.

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Well, I'm not 100% sure that funding intel better would've stopped it happening actually.
Hey Regin, how come he took the words out of both of our mouths???
Maybe Barry is some strange mind reading, voice-stealing alien...
or maybe not...

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Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel:


Well, I'm not 100% sure that funding intel better would've stopped it happening actually.
Hey Regin, how come he took the words out of both of our mouths???
Maybe Barry is some strange mind reading, voice-stealing alien...
or maybe not...

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You might be surprised at just how many things DIDN't happen during the 80's due to our intel agencies. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

Well I still stand on my viewpoint, but hopefully that is true about stopping other things... one disaster is enough frankly.

[Barry the Sprout]

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Originally posted by MagiK:


Wrongo Barry The UN inspectors said he doesnt have weapons in the places he allowed them to go..He did however kick them out several times untill he could clean up the fascility that was going to be visited, the UN inspectors have Lodged so many protests and have made many reports that they were unable to complete the inspections. There is a really good Non-fiction novel writen by one of the lead inspectors out...dont remember the name but it detailed how the UN inspectors were time and again put off, diverted, harrassed, intimidated and threatened...I wouldnt bet YOUR life that Saddam has no weapons dude.

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Well, as far as I know that is partially correct. The *US* in spectors were not allowed in certain areas as they were caught spying in other areas. They were diverted, harrassed, intimidated, and threatened yes, but that was not what I was talking about. The *UN* weapon inspectors were allowed in pretty much everywhere except for private residences (which they are pretty sure would not contain weapons in the first place due to simple logistical problems in then getting the damn things to somewhere where you could fire them).

Basically all I know MagiK is that every UN weapon inspector I have seen giving an interview and every report I have seen (usually summarised via a newspaper as I don't have the kind of time or technical knowledge to decipher the real thing) seems to indicate that he has no power to threaten us whatsoever. He has no weapons and no way of using them if he did. We are flogging a dead horse with this one.

Talthry and Regin - Curses! The secret is out! Gotta run...

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Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:


Well, as far as I know that is partially correct. The *US* in spectors were not allowed in certain areas as they were caught spying in other areas. They were diverted, harrassed, intimidated, and threatened yes, but that was not what I was talking about. The *UN* weapon inspectors were allowed in pretty much everywhere except for private residences (which they are pretty sure would not contain weapons in the first place due to simple logistical problems in then getting the damn things to somewhere where you could fire them).

Basically all I know MagiK is that every UN weapon inspector I have seen giving an interview and every report I have seen (usually summarised via a newspaper as I don't have the kind of time or technical knowledge to decipher the real thing) seems to indicate that he has no power to threaten us whatsoever. He has no weapons and no way of using them if he did. We are flogging a dead horse with this one.

Talthry and Regin - Curses! The secret is out! Gotta run...

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Im a bit curious...how can inspectors who have the right to go anywhere they see fit because they won the war be guilty of spying?? Iraq lost any rights it had to privacy when they illegally invaded kuwait.

[*\Conan/*]

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Originally posted by MagiK:
for the last 12 years people were blowing off the intel community, slashing their budgets and resources and Sept. 11th was the result.

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That's close Majik, there was never enough "saving face elements" along with identity factors given to these people that would rectify the situation.
It was 1yr and a day when the Taliban blew up one of two anceint Buddha Statue's. This sent off big messages in the Art world but for some reason the majority of the public thought it was a religion re-nouncing or something like that.
I know for a fact that alot of members here shuttered a bit and LOA even posted a concerning message about the craziness that would be involved to do this. If people would have saw a generation of people who had "0" respect for their past and only trained for war, death, and desilation.. the funds would have been frozen imediately.
The world is closing in you guys, hold on.

[Ronn_Bman]

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Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
Sorry to inject a level of reality into this otherwise quite nice discussion but good ole Hussein hasn't actually got any weapons. Pretty much every weapons inspector has said so since day one. He definately does not have the capacity to produce or fire any weapons of mass desctruction and 95% of all other weapons are accounted for. This doesn't even mean that he has the other 5% hidden, just that we haven't found them yet. It is a big country in pretty much complete chaos after 10 years of bombing. I am surprised we have found even that many normal weapons.

What should be done? We should stop the sanctions, stop the bombing and let the Iraqis decide what they want to do. If we keep playing god like this then of course we are going to get ourselves hated and attacked. Continuing action against him when we simply don't need to is frankly madness. That is my opinion and it is not born out of gainsay anti-americanism as Britain has been involved in this since day one as well.

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Um Barry....weapons inspectors haven't been in Iraq for years, because Saddam refused them access to facilities. His violation of that part of the cease-fire was enough then, and is enough now to resume military action, on whatever scale necessary, in order to resume the inspections.

After the Gulf War inspectors did find enough militarized Botulism to kill every man, woman, and child on the Earth 3 times. Of course, the Iraqies aren't the only ones who believe in being able to kill everyone on Earth more than once.

Inspectors did not find nuclear weapons materials (maybe because they weren't allow access?), but did find huge stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. Some of these were attached to scud missles, though they were not found on the launchers, if I remember correctly. And let us not forget, he did use chemical weapons against the Kurds. I'm sure his Kurdish countrymen would be willing to tell you he knows how to make chemical/biological weapons, has access to the materials, and isn't afraid to use them.