A 'what if...' question about Yoshimo (SPOILERS)

[Jaradu]

This seems so simple so has probably been thought up before but I can't find any reference to it in threads/posts... What if you accidentally/purposely (depending on alignment) kill Yoshimo just before you fight Irenicus in Spellhold, then ressurect him after the fight. He would be dead during the 'leaving' speech, so it would never get triggered. Just be careful not to boot him while he's dead [img]smile.gif[/img] Maybe there's some scripting or whatever that stops you from doing this?

[Ares]

huh, never heard of anyone trying that before..

I would assume he is still affected by the geas though.

[Aelia Jusa]

I don't think that would work. I don't know if you've ever taken Yoshimo to Spellhold, but he's removed from the party well before you fight Irenicus - before he takes your soul and you're put in the maze by Bodhi.

[Lord]

Originally posted by Aelia Jusa: I don't think that would work. I don't know if you've ever taken Yoshimo to Spellhold, but he's removed from the party well before you fight Irenicus - before he takes your soul and you're put in the maze by Bodhi.

Yes, but if he's dead, Irenicus won't talk to him, right? Although he might still be taken away

[Jaradu]

Yes, I have played with him [img]smile.gif[/img] He might miss out some vital experience, but surely you can kill him before Spellhold?

[ 01-02-2004, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: Jaradu ]

[LennonCook]

From the 2nd Edition of the Great Big Pain in The Butt Shadows of Amn Trivia Quiz:

4. The best method of keeping Yoshimo (meaning, he loses the least amount of EXP) involves having him *in* the party, but *dead,* at the moment when Irenicus reveals himself in Spellhold.
[1 point, explain for +3]

Answer:

False. If Yoshimo is in your party *AT ALL* when Irenicus shows up, he WILL be removed, even if he's dead. The best way to keep him is to Petrify him in Brynnlaw, and then Stone to Flesh him when you get back, allowing you to re-recruit him and feed him the EXP he earns in the Underdark. (This exploit may have been prevented by the BaldurDash Fixpack, however. I've yet to test it.) You can even Petrify Yoshimo while in Spellhold itself--and, if you fight Lonk the Sane and make it a prolonged battle, you might even be able to get Yoshimo back in the party before fighting Irenicus. Weird!

[Jaradu]

Quote from Ares: I would assume he is still affected by the geas though.

The geas?

[LennonCook]

Originally posted by Jaradu: Quote from Ares: I would assume he is still affected by the geas though. The geas?

If you don't know about the geas, you either haven't played through to Chapter 4 with Yoshimo, or you haven't paid attention when you did - correct this problem, and you will understand perfectly.

[Jaradu]

Is geas a slang word used solely for BG2 or is it an official word because I have no idea what it means and it isn't in any dictionary... Sorry for my less than extensive vocab [img]smile.gif[/img]

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MAJOR SPOILER!!! DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!!
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A geas, in SoA at least, is a very advanced domination spell. When you cast a geas on someone, you are free to do whatever up to a single point: the geas will kill you if you fight the orders of your master.

In Yoshimo's case, Irenicus put a geas on him to bring the protagonist to him. Yoshimo would die if he would refuse and thus had no choice in what to do. His other actions in the party, however, are his own, because he was still fulfilling as his master's commanded him to do.