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Old 05-27-2002, 10:26 AM   #41
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Im sure he would be crying if he exited through the front window [img]smile.gif[/img]
LMAO! That *so* did not help.
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Old 05-27-2002, 10:27 AM   #42
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Thanks for the sniper info Sir T.
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Old 05-27-2002, 10:41 AM   #43
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I was going to stay away from this one, but Earthdog your way behind the times on this one. Should Women be drafted into the military? Yes, if their country has a draft. I am a Desert Storm Veteran and through out my military career I've met both men and women I'd NOT want to share a foxhole with. More men than women I might add. I have found most of the women in the military, have every bit of the courage any man has. Stamina is another thing.
It is true that most women do not have the upper body strength to function in a combat role. Notice I said "most". But if a woman can
pass the same PT (Physical Training) test that a man can, then they should be allowed in combat.

Calab, sex has nothing to do with how good a sniper is. It has everything to do with dexitarty and hand eye coordination. I can take just about anyone and train them to be a great marksman, if they have the will. It's mostly muscle memory. I taught marksmanship in the Army Reserve for the last five years of my career. Given a weekend we, typically averaged 94% qualification for a unit we helped.
It didn't matter if they were men or women.
Thank you. This is the point Ive been trying to make. As Ive said so many times in this topic, the large majority of women cant handle the physical rigours of combat. In my last post I said, when they can do 40 pushups and 40 situps, here, take the 60. Most cant, and, of the ones who can, how many want to?

Many of my aunts and cousins are very good hunters. But thats not the same as having to hump equipment mile after mile. Its not pleasant.

As for being drafted, women who want to be soldiers dont have to wait to be drafted; they can sign up any time they want to.
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Old 05-27-2002, 12:11 PM   #44
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Sorry but im not trying to come across as arrogant pompous sexist or even the slightest bit rude on the subject. Im just stating my opinion. And in my opinion most women cant do the same physical work that men can do.

Oh I absolutely agree with you there, that's a completely different point, isn't it?
I agree that physically, men are stronger than women (generally speaking), but I was arguing against the other implication of your post, namely that men are mentally stronger as well, which IMNSHO is a load of BS.

Caleb, you completely miss the point. Believe me, I KNOW that men suffer rape and abuse too - it is one of the most terrible things on this world. In our days, there has been some small progress made in creating an environment where women feel safe enough to speak out against abuse, and even find the courage to talk of their own experiences. In the case of men or boys being abused or raped, however, there is no such social acceptance, and most of them will repress the experience for fear of the reactions they'll get. That is not the point of my argument.
My point is, in the majority of the cases, men are raped by OTHER men, not by women.
There is an unbalance in the power structure. Almost everybody knows a woman who's suffered abuse at the hands of a man - so a man saying that women in general are weak, MENTALLY weak, is disgusting to me.
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Old 05-27-2002, 12:34 PM   #45
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I Do not believe that the "draft" is necessary in the current situation that the USA is in. So I voted Nay, Should it ever become necessary to defend the US homeland against a direct threat Im pretty sure there would be more volunteers than could be processed.

In the beginning when the country was fighting for existance and communicatio and education was so poor, the Draft was necessary.

Being raised old school (ie male chauvenist pig) I usualy would say women as the mothers of our children should be exempt..however, women fought their own war for equal rights so lets by god git it to them, they earned it. What I do detest is in the US Military women were given and are still given preferential treatment and so in the field rarely earn the respect they deserve. Women are held to lower physical standards for the same jobs that men are doing, this is wrong, and women are held to lower acedemic standards as well when testing for the same positions as men, all in the name of meeting some arbitrary quota. I will say this is not just true for women in the US military though, there are these same type of preferences given for various racial groups as well.

I long for the day when the US gets over quota's and preferential treatments that allow unqualified or less qualified people have positions that truely qualified people a bumped out of.
 
Old 05-27-2002, 12:38 PM   #46
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[quote]Originally posted by Melusine:
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namely that men are mentally stronger as well, which IMNSHO is a load of BS.
::Gasp::: I can't believe I actually agree with Mel [img]smile.gif[/img]

Women are no less mentally tough when the chips are down than Men, at least in my experience. I do however seem to find that sometimes it takes a little more provocation to really push SOME women to the point of ferocity required in dangerous situations.....I think this is probably just because of the type of women I am usually in the company of though.
 
Old 05-27-2002, 12:39 PM   #47
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Earthdog, it's been proven that women have HIGHER PAIN THRESHOLDS THAN MEN. That means they can withstand more pain.

Thus it's men that are the crybabies, not women.
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Old 05-27-2002, 12:45 PM   #48
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Plus Earthdog, you'll never know the courage it takes to be a woman, living in a world alongside men that are stronger, more randomly aggressive, and less emotionally expressive, and what it take to break through the "glass ceiling". I think women who go forth into male dominated careers have exeptional courage. A woman that succeed in a male dominated area, has to be twice as good as her male counterpart to even get status quo.

That takes courage.

Attitudes like yours are outdated, negative and reliant on firsthand information, rather than collective knowledge.

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Old 05-27-2002, 01:19 PM   #49
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Plus Earthdog, you'll never know the courage it takes to be a woman, living in a world alongside men that are stronger, more randomly aggressive, and less emotionally expressive, and what it take to break through the "glass ceiling". I think women who go forth into male dominated careers have exeptional courage. A woman that succeed in a male dominated area, has to be twice as good as her male counterpart to even get status quo.

That takes courage.

Attitudes like yours are outdated, negative and reliant on firsthand information, rather than collective knowledge.

See ya.
Ummm by the same token, neither will you know how little courage it takes to allow yourself to be "taken care of" by a man you trust.

I don't disagree with you per se, but I think you are coming down on ED too hard here. In your defense and support of women, please do not do so by denigrating men. Men and women each have strengths and weaknesses Men are better equipped for some things and women others, exploring those differences should not draw attacks from radical feminists nor male cheauvenist pigs.
 
Old 05-27-2002, 01:23 PM   #50
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Where I get off is the fact that Ive seen too many women have a car wreck and get out of the car shaking and crying and all that other stuff.
Uhhh, sorry to bust your little rant,
but I'm a man and I’ve been in a car crash and not only was I all shaky and crying afterwards, I peed my pants as well [img]tongue.gif[/img]
 
 


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