Bush's re-election support falls

[Azred]

Originally posted by MagiK: Im am against any politician who uses the economy as an election time toy, anyone who abuses the peoples security for their own short term political gains needs to be run out of office...

I think most sane people agree with you on this one. Now if only all politicians would resist the urge to use the economy for their own short-term political gains we might all actually get somewhere. [img]graemlins/laugh3.gif[/img]

[khazadman]

moni,please tell us about these wonderful things that clinton did.

and while it's true carter wanted to do the right thing,his natural incompetence just got in the way.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by MagiK: Inundate me puhlease!!!

Well, okay, I can't be on long, so I will throw one poll at you. That alone should do it, but I have a feeling that you'll need more polls to satisfy you, so I'll come back later and give you more.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in265224.shtml

Actually Im pissed off that the DNC chairman and Gephardt are lobbing accusations at Bush and Cheney about their stock deals that were all done within the bounds of the rules that were in place at the time and yet refuses to explain how his bestest buddy at World Com. Managed to make him a cool 18,000% windfall from his $100,000 stock investment taking home $18,000,000 while the company is now in Bankruptcy.....

Well, as I said, if and when a Democrat is guilty of wrongdoing, I don't defend him. I didn't shed a tear today when I read that that crook Traficant was expelled. However, I wish that some of my more conservative counterparts would fess up to Republican wrongdoing.

And I suppose Bush selling 2/3 of his Harken stock just before it tanked when he was director, consultant, and company auditor doesn't look suspicious in the least to you? Or how about when he sold 10% of Arbusto (his first company, a total failure), which was worth $38,237.60, for 1 million dollars?? I wish the rest of us had it so good when our businesses went belly-up!

and Im still waiting to see clinton approval numbers that ever showed him as a 59% or better for reelection.

Well, hmm....you've just changed the topic, here. There is a difference between "Re-election numbers" and "Approval rating". To date, Clinton was elected with 43% of the vote and re-elected with 49%. Bush was elected with not quite 48% of the vote, and his numbers now (which I just showed you) say that only 47% want him re-elected. That doesn't top Bubba's 49%.

If, on the other hand, you're talking about job approval ratings, then right now, Bush is at 60% - Clinton left with 68%, and had some very high points, such as 81% after his State of the Union speech in 1999. I'll show you more of these later. In any case, Bush's current numbers don't top Clinton's by any stretch of the imagination.

Im am against any politician who uses the economy as an election time toy, anyone who abuses the peoples security for their own short term political gains needs to be run out of office

I'd have to agree, I really didn't care for the recent pay increase in the House which no one even questioned and Dick Armey defended. I mean, c'mon, guys, the minimum wage is so low that you can't hear the pennies hit bottom, and here these guys are, voting to give themselves an extra $5K a year. By the way, this was a bipartisan thing, so I'm not in any way only blaming the Republicans for this.

...and as I have said before...I am NOT a member of the GOP. I am a Libertarian...I just share more views in common with the GOP than with the Dems.

I have to wonder why you don't vote Libertarian, then. Or do you? I don't think you ever mentioned voting for a Libertarian before.

In any event, I hope the new Campaign Finance Reform Bill will work the way it's supposed to, so that third-party candidates are given more of a chance and more politicians actually have to stand up for what they believe in or risk getting unhorsed by a Libertarian or a Green or somebody.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by khazadman: moni,please tell us about these wonderful things that clinton did.

Here are some, just in the first term.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/accomp.htm

Here are some more.

http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Clinton.html

As I told MagiK, I can't be on long, so that's just a taste of his accomplishments (for those people who were living on Mars during his administration and don't remember any accomplishments).

He's certainly done more wonderful things than either of the Bushes or Reagan.

and while it's true carter wanted to do the right thing,his natural incompetence just got in the way.

Not necessarily - he was handed a lousy economy, OPEC had raised its prices, Watergate was fresh in everyone's minds, hostages were taken in Iran, and Congress was in no mood to deal with any president, regardless of party. Of course, just before Carter left office the hostages were returned and the economy was starting to improve once again, but I guess no one remembers that.

If Reagan - or just about any other president, for that matter - were elected in 1977, I'm sure they would have been a one-termer.

[John D Harris]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Alexander,
Thank you very much for posting those links! I had not checked this thread but once after I posted here and had not at that time been questioned about my comment(s).

Really, anyone wondering if Clinton did anything good for this nation just has to look at the national deficit's standing when he came in to office and again when he left...impressive improvement to say the least...and that isn't even with mentioning the jobs, the Welfare reform (making people obtaining welfare actually look for and get jobs or stop receiving benefits), available health benefits, economic improvements, etc. etc. etc.

Had it not been for Clinton, national emergency rooms would still be able to literally shove people out their doors without medical aid if they did not have insurance...I was one of those people (literally pushed but not quite shoved) denied emergency medical help because at that time I did not have medical insurance and I am lucky to be alive...even the Dr who pushed me thought I was going to die.

[ 07-26-2002, 05:25 AM: Message edited by: Moni ]

[norompanlasolas]

if regular people had the help and "luck" some politicians or sons of politicians had when starting their businesses, everybody would be rich!!! you could be totally incompetent and a complete f***up and still manage to make a lot of money! ahh... the beauty of equality...

Originally posted by norompanlasolas: if regular people had the help and "luck" some politicians or sons of politicians had when starting their businesses, everybody would be rich!!! you could be totally incompetent and a complete f***up and still manage to make a lot of money! ahh... the beauty of equality...

As sarcastic as your comment looks (to me) there is a lot of truth in it.
I know a few self-made millionaires who came from dirt-poor families and started out with nothing more than the shirts on their back.
They weren't totally incompetent or complete f***ups either (those are the rich folk's kids lol).
God Bless America. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[norompanlasolas]

Originally posted by Moni: quote: Originally posted by norompanlasolas: if regular people had the help and "luck" some politicians or sons of politicians had when starting their businesses, everybody would be rich!!! you could be totally incompetent and a complete f***up and still manage to make a lot of money! ahh... the beauty of equality...

As sarcastic as your comment looks (to me) there is a lot of truth in it.
I know a few self-made millionaires who came from dirt-poor families and started out with nothing more than the shirts on their back.
They weren't totally incompetent or complete f***ups either (those are the rich folk's kids lol).
God Bless America. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]lol... you may be right. i wasnt referring only to a certain son a an american expresident though. in argentina the son of ex president fernando de la rua is a "succesful" enterpreneur thanks to his dad connections. he even ventured into politics with his own group (they called them sushi, for their tendency to eat it) until they failed miserably like the rich kids sons they are. [img]tongue.gif[/img]