Anyone here watch FOX News?

[Lanthir]

First did you alos mangae to read that he actually works for another network first? That he assisted a group of Generals and such in helping them form their opions that they handed to news shows. That that is where FOX found him. Also that military recors are sealed and not normaly avaiable to the public (which would include a network) Oh I am sorry is that bias for the "right" since i try to look at all the facts.
Myself I tend to watch the BBC on PBS and MSNBC.

[Malthaussen]

I was trained as an historian, which means I have a dedicated contempt for journalists of any stripe. In any event, bias is impossible to avoid in any source that attempts to "report" on human affairs -- whether they're happening this instant, or happened 500 years ago. And largely irrelevant. Say what? Irrelevant. Why? Because one shouldn't go to a news source for their editorializing, he should go for facts. Editorials are like criticism: the only ones that matter are those that make us think, or (more often) those with which we already agree. If one cannot separate the editorializing from the facts, one shouldn't be watching the news -- a form of programming that really should be rated NC-17, not that it would make any difference.

"One should always believe everything he reads in the newspapers, as this makes them more interesting." -- Rose Macauley

Regards;

Mal

[Neb]

What I don't understand is that some people mention left-wing biased news channels when it is said that FOX is right-wing. A right-wing bias doesn't "counter" a left-wing bias unless people watch equal amounts from both channels. Any bias is bad no matter in which direction it lies, the media should at least STRIVE to remain objective, even if it can't be achieved perfectly.

[The Hunter of Jahanna]

This is why I get all my news from rotten.com.THey are unbiased and usualy have stories about stuff I am interested in.

Originally posted by Alexander: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: FOX does not "admit" to being biased toward the right..can you please post the article in which you saw suuch an admission from fox?

Their mantra is that they are the counterweight to the alleged liberal bias of the other networks. The third article here goes into this quite a bit, the first two just point out how they don't even try to hide their bias.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html
http://www.cjr.org/year/98/2/fox.asp
http://torchmagazine.com/foxnews.html

FOX may or may not have screwed the pooch with their "Military" adviser, I didn't see the story so I can't comment. What I do know about FOX is that it is THE only US television news organization with a stated goal of reporting the NEWS and not spinning the issues.

Bull. Read the articles. Why is it that only the Republicans and conservatives like Fox News?

On the whole, (and I don't watch television news all that much) When I have viewed FOX, it seemed to me that all they did was report the facts. I would prefer FOX over CNN any day. But I prefer to get my news from a variety of sources on the web, and not just from the US, I particularly like the reporting done by Canadian News agencies...when they are about international issues that is...some of the domestic issues are....hehe not of concern to the USA.

Try MSNBC or BBC if you can get it. They provide the most balanced news. I don't watch CNN enough to know whether or not they're biased, but I doubt it.

Not trying to bust your bubble, just curious as to what set you off? Just the one incident of the military advisor? Hey, anyone can lie on a resume, it took years for the College coach to get caught, the Fire chief here in DC lied out his arse to get his job, untill you have staffed a company Id be a bit less harsh on the people who are trying to fill the spaces, resumes and refferences are tough to check some times. Hell even the Secretary of the Navy a few years ago had some fibs on his record (the guy who shot himself..don't remember his name...might be Borda or some such)

Hey, if you're going to have someone you're going to consult on the air, you'd better make darn sure you're not going to make an idiot out of yourself on the air.[/QUOTE]Ok I was right and you were wrong...You said FOX admitted to being biased...what you showed me in those links was three decidedly liberal sites quoting the liberals about FOX....gee big surprise.

Again, you totally ignored what I said about FOX making a mistake about their advisor...you cannot show me a single news organization in the history of this company which didn't make an error in its sources..sources they used to make broadcasts to the public...it isn't as easy as you seem to think to verify someones past.

Forgeries and fakes are hard to spot, and if the Government can't always be sure they have trustworthy people (any one of the traitor spy people in recent history as examples) then it is just going to be that much harder for a news organization, the best they can do is to make a good faith effort, and as far as I can see they did this.
You don't see me hopping up and down crying every time CNN misreports somethign...and BOY do THEY mis-report.....Ive read the text that goes into their office and seen what comes out....it bears no sembelence to what is being reported in many cases.

FOX claims to balance the liberal tilt of the other media..that does nto mean that they twist their stories that much to the right...that means they just try to report the news and the facts...and save the op-ed stuff for the op-ed space. This does not mean that FOX feels that they have to spin things to the right. Why do only right wingers and conservatives like FOX?? well first off I think you are speaking for a whole lot of people who you have no idea what they like...secondly as a conservative libertarian I have to say I like them because I don't have to work so hard to find the facts thru all the BS. Now I personally think FOX may be a bit skewed to the right....but anything not on the left is going to look right by comparison.

Originally posted by Neb: What I don't understand is that some people mention left-wing biased news channels when it is said that FOX is right-wing. A right-wing bias doesn't "counter" a left-wing bias unless people watch equal amounts from both channels. Any bias is bad no matter in which direction it lies, the media should at least STRIVE to remain objective, even if it can't be achieved perfectly.

Actually it was Alex. who contended that because FOX claims to balance the Leftist journalism of other media, that they had to be right wingers...but actually FOX dis'es the right when they see the need too, they are at LEAST attempting to be what other NEWS agnecies should strive for..and that is Journalists..un-biased..as in they report the facts and leave the opinions for the OP-ed people and the viewer and reader.

[khazadman]

if any one thinks fox is biased to the right then answer me this question:why do so many people who lean to the left not only watch fox,but work for them?
you want to see bias?watch larry king throw softballs at hillary,jessy,and al.you want to see unbiased?watch hillary,jessy,and al refuse to go on bill o'reilly.why don't they go on you ask?because bill o'reilly doesn't ask softball questions.i don't care what your political leaning he will drill you a new one if you try to lie or spin.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Alexander: [qb] quote: Originally posted by MagiK: FOX does not "admit" to being biased toward the right..can you please post the article in which you saw suuch an admission from fox?

Their mantra is that they are the counterweight to the alleged liberal bias of the other networks. The third article here goes into this quite a bit, the first two just point out how they don't even try to hide their bias.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html
http://www.cjr.org/year/98/2/fox.asp
http://torchmagazine.com/foxnews.html

FOX may or may not have screwed the pooch with their "Military" adviser, I didn't see the story so I can't comment. What I do know about FOX is that it is THE only US television news organization with a stated goal of reporting the NEWS and not spinning the issues.

Bull. Read the articles. Why is it that only the Republicans and conservatives like Fox News?

On the whole, (and I don't watch television news all that much) When I have viewed FOX, it seemed to me that all they did was report the facts. I would prefer FOX over CNN any day. But I prefer to get my news from a variety of sources on the web, and not just from the US, I particularly like the reporting done by Canadian News agencies...when they are about international issues that is...some of the domestic issues are....hehe not of concern to the USA.

Try MSNBC or BBC if you can get it. They provide the most balanced news. I don't watch CNN enough to know whether or not they're biased, but I doubt it.

Not trying to bust your bubble, just curious as to what set you off? Just the one incident of the military advisor? Hey, anyone can lie on a resume, it took years for the College coach to get caught, the Fire chief here in DC lied out his arse to get his job, untill you have staffed a company Id be a bit less harsh on the people who are trying to fill the spaces, resumes and refferences are tough to check some times. Hell even the Secretary of the Navy a few years ago had some fibs on his record (the guy who shot himself..don't remember his name...might be Borda or some such)

Hey, if you're going to have someone you're going to consult on the air, you'd better make darn sure you're not going to make an idiot out of yourself on the air.[/QUOTE]Ok I was right and you were wrong...You said FOX admitted to being biased...what you showed me in those links was three decidedly liberal sites quoting the liberals about FOX....gee big surprise.[/QUOTE]They didn't quote the liberals, the first site quoted the conservatives (did you even read any of it?) and the other two sites didn't quote at all, and the few quotes they did have came from conservatives as well. If you want more links, I will go get some, but I doubt even Rupert Murdoch or Bill O'Reilly coming to your home and telling you that FOX News is conservative will make you believe that they admitted it.

Again, you totally ignored what I said about FOX making a mistake about their advisor...you cannot show me a single news organization in the history of this company which didn't make an error in its sources..sources they used to make broadcasts to the public...it isn't as easy as you seem to think to verify someones past. Forgeries and fakes are hard to spot, and if the Government can't always be sure they have trustworthy people (any one of the traitor spy people in recent history as examples) then it is just going to be that much harder for a news organization, the best they can do is to make a good faith effort, and as far as I can see they did this.

What forgeries? What fakes? They took his credentials at face value. The article indicates that they didn't even try to check this guy out.

You don't see me hopping up and down crying every time CNN misreports somethign...and BOY do THEY mis-report.....Ive read the text that goes into their office and seen what comes out....it bears no sembelence to what is being reported in many cases.

Proof? Besides right-wing rhetoric?

FOX claims to balance the liberal tilt of the other media..that does nto mean that they twist their stories that much to the right...that means they just try to report the news and the facts...and save the op-ed stuff for the op-ed space. This does not mean that FOX feels that they have to spin things to the right.

If they were balancing as they claim, they'd have to be right-wing to balance the "liberal" media. Otherwise, if they were unbiased, there would be one unbiased network and a bunch of liberal networks....hardly a balance. Of course, many people think that the "liberal" media is a total myth spun by the conservatives to make them sound poor and defenseless - myself included.

Why do only right wingers and conservatives like FOX?? well first off I think you are speaking for a whole lot of people who you have no idea what they like...secondly as a conservative libertarian I have to say I like them because I don't have to work so hard to find the facts thru all the BS. Now I personally think FOX may be a bit skewed to the right....but anything not on the left is going to look right by comparison.

You want straight facts? Check out the BBC, or MSNBC or Reuters. But not FOX News. That network sickened me when I watched Bill O'Reilly tormenting people with different views.