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I don't deny he was killed by an Islamic fundamentalist, I do doubt its sole cause was Submission, but much more general: van Gogh's personality, his years of insulting people's religions (Christian and Muslim alike, although I grant it was no Christian who killed him) and the hammering home, in incredibly one-sided and offensive way, of his radical opinions in many ways, including the movie. It is laughable that you just go ahead and assume, no, BET, that you would in any way be able to divine what the reactions of Dutch muslims were - how can you know? "You'll bet"?? I don't have to bet, I read the newspapers here everyday, see the news and walk in the area where it all happened. I don't need to bet. I am proud to live in a country where Muslims felt welcome and safe enough to mourn alongside other Dutch people for Theo van Gogh, and ashamed at the same time of a country where idiot racists vandalised Mosques and set fire to schools to reward these Muslims. But I'm glad that at least there's one bigot not living here to add fuel to the hatred and ignorance. [ 02-08-2005, 08:55 PM: Message edited by: Melusine ]
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Muslims mourned for Vincent too ? I didn't know they loved his paintings so much.
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As for Morgie "basking in my supporting glow", that has GOT to be the funniest thing I've seen you post in a long, long time. You've had your own "cheering section" in this thread, so it can be assumed that your own unwillingness to change is just as firmly entrenched as Morgie's. Quote:
As for your example of like-minded simile, I CAN honostly say that I do NOT consider the term "American red-neck scum" any more offensive as "red-neck scum", because quite frankly, I didn't know "red neck scum" lived in any country OTHER than America. And it all depends on the context in which the term is used. In this case, I am not offended by it at all. But for the two weeks following the election, I DID get a freakin belly-full of the members here demonizing the "ignorant, inbred, red-neck hillbillies that were too stupid to think for ourselves". Most Southerners really do NOT take as much offense at "red neck scum" as you might think. As John D. pointed out, we actually wear that badge with a bit of pride. Because whenever it is used, it is a clear sign that we have pissed off somebody who disagrees with us and they have nothing left to do but to resort to insulting our heritage. Too bad for them we aren't as ashamed of our heritage as they would like us to be. Quote:
And I notice that there were no statistics given for the percentage of CNN viewers that believed THEIR news source wholeheartedly - even though CNN ended up admitting that they manufactured an interview derisive of American troops and much of their coverage had a definite negative tone towards the President, war, and troops. Disagreeing with the action is one thing, but even CNN took it past the point of objective disagreement and firmly into the side of "slanting" the news. So I ask again, how many CNN viewers bought thier news reports hook, line and sinker? Just some points to ponder, mate.
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I have spoken just of the situation in Amsterdam, since YOU brought up the murder that took place here. The majority of Muslims here are not radical. Maybe they will be if they run into people like you often enough, which is one of my biggest fears. Your close-minded pigeonholing-brain must have pegged me with the terrorist-loving Muslimhuggers already. For what it's worth I consider fundamentalist Islam a very scary and worrying thing, and am concerned and frightened about the number of integrated, liberal Muslims who have started to lean to the radical side. I'm just as concerned about the racist morons who push them in that direction with their intolerance, their hate-breeding, their selective and misguided interpretation of Quran verses and their ignorance. I worry about radical Islam, but I don't consider sweeping insults and bigorty very fruitful tools to prevent more Muslims from going radical.
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You forget that he also had some scathing movies about Jews, and none of them threatened, or murdered him. and you still didn't answer my question melisisne
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I have answered your question pertaining to the point I was replying about: the situation HERE, in my city. In my city the majority of Muslims IS problem-free. As yet, as I added. I was talking of my city and country alone since you brought it up, and don't feel moved to write any treatises about Islam in general to such as you, thanks. [ 02-08-2005, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: Melusine ] |
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I have spoken just of the situation in Amsterdam, since YOU brought up the murder that took place here. The majority of Muslims here are not radical. Maybe they will be if they run into people like you often enough, which is one of my biggest fears. Your close-minded pigeonholing-brain must have pegged me with the terrorist-loving Muslimhuggers already. For what it's worth I consider fundamentalist Islam a very scary and worrying thing, and am concerned and frightened about the number of integrated, liberal Muslims who have started to lean to the radical side. I'm just as concerned about the racist morons who push them in that direction with their intolerance, their hate-breeding, their selective and misguided interpretation of Quran verses and their ignorance. I worry about radical Islam, but I don't consider sweeping insults and bigorty very fruitful tools to prevent more Muslims from going radical. [/QUOTE]perhaps I should go back a few pages and quote myself AGAIN, I never once said all muslims are wacko's, nor did I imply that. I said that Islam teaches hatred, and a greater love of death than life. I don't consider you a muslimhugger, I think you've got your head buried in the sand, much as I'm sure you think I've got mine in one of my orifices. You didn't answer my question and instead libelled(not slander since slander is spoken) me because it's the only response left to you since logic won't satisfy ANYONE.
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I have answered your question pertaining to the point I was replying about: the situation HERE, in my city. In my city the majority of Muslims IS problem-free. As yet, as I added. I was talking of my city and country alone since you brought it up, and don't feel moved to write any treatises about Islam in general to such as you, thanks. [/QUOTE]once again you prove my point, you can't defend your position and merely say "I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist"
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The way i see the whole Van Gogh issue is, that if you keep insulting a certain group of people long enough, and i do mean insult them to the bone time and time again, sooner or later someone of that group will bite a chunk out your ass, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a fundamentalist nutjob.
I'm not saying Van Gogh brought it on himself, but he could have expected something like that to happen, the man didn't know when to stop. It's undeniable though, that something is very rotten overhere right now. I mean with the deathlist and all. Hirsi Ali, Wilders, Cohen, and even Balkenende can't go in public without an army of bodyguards anymore, and that's something we're not quite used to. And what the hell did Balkenende ever do wrong to be placed on a deathlist ? Balkenende of all people....please. He's a man you want to pet on the head, buy him an icecream or a lollypop or something, but not kill him. That's just sick.
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