Question about Evolution/Creationism etc.

[Silver Cheetah]

Originally posted by dizzy: Im a christian and believe in the creation but its a matter of faith evololution hasnt been proved true thats why its still called a theory yet you have to have blind faith in the Bible as well, There are Christian scientists as well who have come up with every bit as much prof of the creation as evolotionary scientists watch some videos by dr Ken Ham

Evolution is a theory, and so is creationism. You can't prove either absolutely. As for proving the existence of god, I'm sorry, books written by humans just don't do it for me. You say they are 'inspired' by god, but can you prove it? [img]smile.gif[/img]

PS. No problems with the god theory as such. Whatever bakes your cake.

I personally don't go with the idea of a creator 'being' as such, separate from the creation though. I believe that the 'entity' commonly known as god, goddess, allah or whatever encompasses all there is, including me, including you. Including all life, wherever, and however.

That makes me divine, and you too. And if more of us thought this way, and lived as though it were true, maybe we'd be ripping each other apart a little less. Doesn't seem to me that a belief in 'god' has accomplished that much, so far. When sacred is located somewhere up in the heavens, rather than than in global humankind, - well, you've got problems, in my view. Time we evolved some beliefs that might actually serve us.

[AzureWolf]

Both are theorys neither is proven until either is I will reserve my judgement. I dont believe in any creator or higher being/power but even in the smallest amount possible I would not deny the possibility that such could exist. So while holding to the Evolution theory, I will always leave a miniscule part of my mind open to the possibility that I am not right. Humans most of all are not faultless [img]smile.gif[/img]

If there is any religion I feel is at all feasable, it is Bahai. I've taken some time out to do a bit of research on it and it certainly does seem to make sense.

[Sir Kenyth]

Originally posted by dizzy: Im a christian and believe in the creation but its a matter of faith evololution hasnt been proved true thats why its still called a theory yet you have to have blind faith in the Bible as well, There are Christian scientists as well who have come up with every bit as much prof of the creation as evolotionary scientists watch some videos by dr Ken Ham

This may be a wild idea to some. Who's to say that evolution wasn't the very tool god used to create us? Time is nothing to god. It's meaningless to him as it's only a perception we hold in our physical universe because of the make up of our physical bodies. Adam and Eve could very well have been the first two humans to have had souls as his children. Their bodies and the animals created by the process of evolvement. By the wonderous machine god created that is our planet and the physical universe. It's possible just like a million other things are. I like it though.

As far as seeing the effects of evolvement. You can see them even in us. As you cross the world you will see gradually changing physical features in the natives of the areas. The larger the land area, the more variations you'll see. The most pronounced physiological differences are, of course, the differences between the "Races" in the world. Even these relatively minor changes probably took upwards of 100,000 years to develop. I feel that evolvement is not only based on "survival of the fittest". I beleive there are some very subtle mechanisms in our bodies that can pass some changes caused by environment on to our children. In such a way that even a few generations can show a small change if the environmental conditions are severe enough. I don't think the variations in the genetic patterns are completely random.

[Neb]

Can't BOTH creation and evolution be true at the same time? They've got the same amount of evidence supporting them just about. God might have started everything off, thereby being the creator, but then everything could have continued according to the rules of evolution.

Science and religion are NOT mutually exclusive, science still has to figure out what binds the cores of atoms together. God perhaps?

Originally posted by Neb: Can't BOTH creation and evolution be true at the same time? They've got the same amount of evidence supporting them just about. God might have started everything off, thereby being the creator, but then everything could have continued according to the rules of evolution. Science and religion are NOT mutually exclusive, science still has to figure out what binds the cores of atoms together. God perhaps?

Actually this is how I basicly chose to reconcile the individual inconsistancies in either "theory" I choose to believe that God created Man using the natural laws he set in place to govern our universe. Evolution in this case being one of his tools.

Thats just my own philosophy, and I don't expect anyone else to adopt it.

Originally posted by Arledrian: If there is any religion I feel is at all feasable, it is Bahai. I've taken some time out to do a bit of research on it and it certainly does seem to make sense.

Where does Bahi originate? Never heard of it or seen it referenced...Being the curious person that I am, I like to learn new things [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by AzureWolf: Humans most of all are not faultless [img]smile.gif[/img]

Amen to that and I do include myself in the statement [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Ryanamur]

There is evolution within the human race as we speak. Of course, the process is long and the full effects will not be wholy visible within our lifetime.

For exemple, I'm a product of evolution. I don't have any wisdom teeth. I asked my dentist if this was normal. He said "yes, it's a normal evolution. We don't use our wisdom teeth anymore and usually, our jaws are too small to have both molares and wisdom teeth. That's why some people don't have them anymore". Now, it's more current to have your 4 wisdom teeth. But some people have 3, 2 or 1. To not have any is rare but it's slowly coming that way.

Hope this helps.

[Neb]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Neb: Can't BOTH creation and evolution be true at the same time? They've got the same amount of evidence supporting them just about. God might have started everything off, thereby being the creator, but then everything could have continued according to the rules of evolution. Science and religion are NOT mutually exclusive, science still has to figure out what binds the cores of atoms together. God perhaps?

Actually this is how I basicly chose to reconcile the individual inconsistancies in either "theory" I choose to believe that God created Man using the natural laws he set in place to govern our universe. Evolution in this case being one of his tools.

Thats just my own philosophy, and I don't expect anyone else to adopt it.[/QUOTE]Nice to see someone who has at least partially the same opinion on how the universe works as I do.