Are Bush And Blair Liars?

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Grojlach: quote: Originally posted by Zebodog: George Bush is very similiar to Adolf Hitler...very charasmatic but both very stupid. Tony Blair is akin to Benito Mussolini, "Oh it looks like Germany is going to win, so I'll side with them...no wait a minute..." Either we learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it. Unfortunately, it seems that we have learned nothing.

I reckon Godwin's Law is completely lost on you? [/QUOTE]Not only that but invoking nazi comparisons does nothing to elevate the discourse or discover the "truth". It gives the Bush camp a chance to dodge other issues and instead make a big huge fussy deal out of being compared to nazi's.

We have seen recently that they will go so far as to unleash Carl Rove to cast all liberals as incompetent anti-american terrorist-loving traitors. Which is essentially the same thing as comparing Bush to Hitler. Whether or not the analogy is accurate, the result of such speech is to incite discord and sow division and to avoid talking about the real stuff that actually means something.

[ 06-25-2005, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[Zebodog]

Who said anything about Nazi's? I did not mention that word once.

Hitler was an extremely charasmatic individual, look at what he did. He convinced an entire nation that they were doing the right thing.

Of course Bush wasn't the first to use a world power for his own personal agenda, and he likely won't be the last. Unless there is accountability for actions such as this, this kind of thing will continue to occur. Honestly, what exactly is the consequence?

[Zebodog]

Originally posted by Grojlach: quote: Originally posted by Zebodog: George Bush is very similiar to Adolf Hitler...very charasmatic but both very stupid. Tony Blair is akin to Benito Mussolini, "Oh it looks like Germany is going to win, so I'll side with them...no wait a minute..." Either we learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it. Unfortunately, it seems that we have learned nothing.

I reckon Godwin's Law is completely lost on you? [/QUOTE]Mike Godwin never really impressed me.

[Azred]

Originally posted by Zebodog: Who said anything about Nazi's? I did not mention that word once. Hitler was an extremely charasmatic individual, look at what he did. He convinced an entire nation that they were doing the right thing. Of course Bush wasn't the first to use a world power for his own personal agenda, and he likely won't be the last. Unless there is accountability for actions such as this, this kind of thing will continue to occur. Honestly, what exactly is the consequence?

Hitler = Nazi. The two are inseperable; mention one and you have mentioned the other.

There is at least one difference, though, between Hitler's Germany and Bush's America--we are doing the right thing. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

[Zebodog]

Originally posted by Azred: quote: Originally posted by Zebodog: Who said anything about Nazi's? I did not mention that word once. Hitler was an extremely charasmatic individual, look at what he did. He convinced an entire nation that they were doing the right thing. Of course Bush wasn't the first to use a world power for his own personal agenda, and he likely won't be the last. Unless there is accountability for actions such as this, this kind of thing will continue to occur. Honestly, what exactly is the consequence?

Hitler = Nazi. The two are inseperable; mention one and you have mentioned the other.

There is at least one difference, though, between Hitler's Germany and Bush's America--we are doing the right thing. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Sorry, I respect your right to voice your opinion but I also repsect my right to disagree.

I believe that all though they were linked, both Hitler and the Nazis were also seperate entities.

And just for the record, you are not doing the right thing. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

[Aragorn1]

Originally posted by Zebodog: I believe that all though they were linked, both Hitler and the Nazis were also seperate entities.

Hitler WAS national socialism, it ended up as a personalty cult, as in Stlainist Russia, the two ARE inseparable.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Zebodog: quote: Originally posted by Azred: quote: Originally posted by Zebodog: Who said anything about Nazi's? I did not mention that word once. Hitler was an extremely charasmatic individual, look at what he did. He convinced an entire nation that they were doing the right thing. Of course Bush wasn't the first to use a world power for his own personal agenda, and he likely won't be the last. Unless there is accountability for actions such as this, this kind of thing will continue to occur. Honestly, what exactly is the consequence?

Hitler = Nazi. The two are inseperable; mention one and you have mentioned the other.

There is at least one difference, though, between Hitler's Germany and Bush's America--we are doing the right thing. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Sorry, I respect your right to voice your opinion but I also repsect my right to disagree.

I believe that all though they were linked, both Hitler and the Nazis were also seperate entities.

And just for the record, you are not doing the right thing. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Did not Hitler form the Nazi party?
Did Germany then not become Nazi Germany?

Did not saddam invade and conquer a country. Then got evicted, and given treaties to abide by? Did he not knowingly break these treaties? Did he not trade oil for arms? Did he not continue to build and mainatin a military?

So, then if history teaches us, we are doing the right thing. Except until waiting until the whole world was in shambles, we took the pre-emptive strike.

And, BTW, you are with us. Not only did you guys score the longest recorded kill, you have also racked up an enormous amount of confirmed sniper kills. this article is a couple years old, but clearly you can see who is with us.
http://www.espritdecorps.ca/new_page_75.htm
Just in case you think that is biased, here is another.
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...n/Canadian.htm

[Barry the Sprout]

Hitler didn't form the Nazi party, just in case anyone is interested. He was about the 50th member to join as I recall, although they put 550 on his membership card to make it seem like they had more supporters, or something like that. Thats nitpicking, to be honest with you, but I agree that Hitler cannot be equated with the Nazis anymore than Fascism can be. Hitler and the Nazis are one example of a social force that can recur in a number of different forms. If you're going to analyse anything then its probably better to analyse fascism, which is still a problem, than Nazism, which isn't.

[a_decent_1]

BIg liars,

could not agree to a post more.

[Zebodog]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Zebodog: quote: Originally posted by Azred: quote: Originally posted by Zebodog: Who said anything about Nazi's? I did not mention that word once. Hitler was an extremely charasmatic individual, look at what he did. He convinced an entire nation that they were doing the right thing. Of course Bush wasn't the first to use a world power for his own personal agenda, and he likely won't be the last. Unless there is accountability for actions such as this, this kind of thing will continue to occur. Honestly, what exactly is the consequence?

Hitler = Nazi. The two are inseperable; mention one and you have mentioned the other.

There is at least one difference, though, between Hitler's Germany and Bush's America--we are doing the right thing. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Sorry, I respect your right to voice your opinion but I also repsect my right to disagree.

I believe that all though they were linked, both Hitler and the Nazis were also seperate entities.

And just for the record, you are not doing the right thing. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Did not Hitler form the Nazi party?
Did Germany then not become Nazi Germany?

Did not saddam invade and conquer a country. Then got evicted, and given treaties to abide by? Did he not knowingly break these treaties? Did he not trade oil for arms? Did he not continue to build and mainatin a military?

So, then if history teaches us, we are doing the right thing. Except until waiting until the whole world was in shambles, we took the pre-emptive strike.

And, BTW, you are with us. Not only did you guys score the longest recorded kill, you have also racked up an enormous amount of confirmed sniper kills. this article is a couple years old, but clearly you can see who is with us.
http://www.espritdecorps.ca/new_page_75.htm
Just in case you think that is biased, here is another.
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...n/Canadian.htm [/QUOTE]Dude,

I do not agree with what the US has done. I am an individual, in the country that I live in, I have the right to voice my opinion freely without recourse.

Did saddam not invade a country? TRUE. Did not the US invade a country? TRUE Does not the US continue to build arms? TRUE I guess it's okay that the US continue to build arms because..well...I guess because they are the US.

It's time for the US citizens to remove their heads from their asses and realize that violence is no solution. How many times has Canada been attacked by this world wide menace of terrorism? Ask yourself why?