Powell resigns.

[Lord of Alcohol]

Lets all give a big Ironworks welcome to Condoleezza Rice as our new Secretary of State. Seig heil and all that

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Originally posted by aleph_null1: quote: Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar: This is the same reason Hillary won't win.

She won't win because she's a rabid communist, not because she's female ... [/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. A man with her exact same views would fare far better than she would. Her views alienate some, on a few levels, but America is still a vastly sexist, racist, and homophobic nation, even if it's all subliminal.

[Azred]

I think most people are going to be sorry to see Gen. Powell leave. It's a shame, too, because he has all the standard requirements most people think someone in political office should have--an impeccable record, no public scandals, photogenic/telegenic, well-spoken, and charismatic.

Not that he will, but if 2008 were a showdown between Colin and Hilary, Colin would win.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

In a magical, hypothetical world, I agree... Sexism and racism aside, I feel liberals would be more likely to vote Powell than conservatives to vote Clinton, and people in the middle would lean more towards Powell.

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by Lord of Alcohol: Lets all give a big Ironworks welcome to Condoleezza Rice as our new Secretary of State. Seig heil and all that

She seems to be the most likely candidate...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=254647

As for the other positions, they'll probably give the NSA to Wolfowitz and the Secretary of Commerce to a Ferengi.

[ 11-16-2004, 06:00 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

[aleph_null1]

Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar: Her views alienate some, on a few levels, but America is still a vastly sexist, racist, and homophobic nation, even if it's all subliminal.

I can't agree with you more here, but what I was saying was that all those sexist, racist homophobes were already voting Republican anyway

Seriously, though, there may be a moderate swing vote to be had, but it will not be won (or lost) because of sex/race/orientation.

Hillary's move to get the sexist/racist/homophobic vote (i.e. the conservative line) is not to switch gender -- though that would be interesting -- but rather to stop walking the same party line as Lenin ...

[Cerek]

Hillary has the same charisma that her husband possesses. It's one reason she was able to "relocate" to New York in a blantantly transparant move to become a Senator. There is no way she would have been elected to the Senate from Arkansas.

Despite her liberal views, the fact that she IS a woman will gain her a good number of the "swing votes" - especially from pro-choice and pro-women sectors.

I'm not sure if she could win the job as President in 2008, but I think she would be an excellent choice for VP. This would actually give her a better shot at the Oval Office, provided the Dems manage to put a strong candidate forward next time.

The Repubs will be in transition. Cheney would have a hard time beating Ralph Nadar, so he definitely won't be getting the nod from his party (even if he wanted it - which he may or may not). So the Repubs will have to field a new candidate themselves...that means that both parties will have a pretty level playing field in 2008.

I personally would liked to have seen more of what Howard Dean had to offer, but there is also a chance that Edwards may get a shot at the top job next time. He has the dashing good looks and boyish charm that hasn't been seen since JFK and there are already rumors the Dems may pursue that image for 2008.

Another name being mentioned for 2008 is Obama..but again, I think he would have a better shot as the VP instead of the President.

Either way, if the Dems win, then either Hillary or Obama would be in the White House for at least 4 years and possibley 8. And if they make it 8 years, they would BOTH be the obvious choice for the top spot in 2016.

So starting in the #2 job might actually be the best "long term" strategy for Hillary in her bid to win the White House.

[Barry the Sprout]

Originally posted by aleph_null1: She won't win because she's a rabid communist, not because she's female ...

Hmmmm... where to begin.

No, sorry, I just don't think I can quite summon up the enthusiasm to begin at all to be honest with you.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Cerek: Hillary has the same charisma that her husband possesses. It's one reason she was able to "relocate" to New York in a blantantly transparant move to become a Senator. There is no way she would have been elected to the Senate from Arkansas. Despite her liberal views, the fact that she IS a woman will gain her a good number of the "swing votes" - especially from pro-choice and pro-women sectors. I'm not sure if she could win the job as President in 2008, but I think she would be an excellent choice for VP. This would actually give her a better shot at the Oval Office, provided the Dems manage to put a strong candidate forward next time. The Repubs will be in transition. Cheney would have a hard time beating Ralph Nadar, so he definitely won't be getting the nod from his party (even if he wanted it - which he may or may not). So the Repubs will have to field a new candidate themselves...that means that both parties will have a pretty level playing field in 2008. I personally would liked to have seen more of what Howard Dean had to offer, but there is also a chance that Edwards may get a shot at the top job next time. He has the dashing good looks and boyish charm that hasn't been seen since JFK and there are already rumors the Dems may pursue that image for 2008. Another name being mentioned for 2008 is Obama..but again, I think he would have a better shot as the VP instead of the President. Either way, if the Dems win, then either Hillary or Obama would be in the White House for at least 4 years and possibley 8. And if they make it 8 years, they would BOTH be the obvious choice for the top spot in 2016. So starting in the #2 job might actually be the best "long term" strategy for Hillary in her bid to win the White House.

Sorry Cerek but Hillary has no where near the Chrisma that Bill has. He was elected in a Red State, she had to run in an overwelmingly Blue State, if she runs in 08 she'll recieve an rear end whoop'n, unless there is something major to change the make-up of the USA.

I think the Republicans will run Condi in 08, so we may have a "chick fight" on our hands

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Originally posted by John D Harris: I think the Republicans will run Condi in 08, so we may have a "chick fight" on our hands

Two strikes. She wouldn't stand a chance.

And you know, I'm praying that someday I'll have to eat these words. It would be a small price to pay for a woman in the white house, or any minority at all.

[ 11-16-2004, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: Illumina Drathiran'ar ]